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Grumble 07-10-2017 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by robthree (Post 2392605)
While you and I and most everybody else wouldn't notice or care if OM or whoever was walking through the terminal, when he arrives on one of our flights, you can bet everybody in the station from the GM on down to the ramp crew will know there is a company VIP on board, and the flight would be given extra attention.

My point was that if a bunch of our mgmt was negotiating an aquistion, does anyone think a NK FLL gate agent had a clue who any of our leadership are, which is the genesis of this rumor?

rightside02 07-11-2017 05:27 AM

Left JB for United in April , so I am one of those guys , 40 percent trying to jump over here is def overkill. Approx 3400 pilots and nearly half trying to come over !?!?! That's a bit of a stretch , esp for the millions of guys hat live in or near Florida bases , Plenty of 3 year or less guys would bail if they had the offer . (I was a 4 year guy )

As far as overlap I don't really see it , besides the vicinity of JFK and EWR I see little to no overlap . Sure some gates would have to be swapped and you'd have to make Delta and American happy , but otherwise I would never say it's impossible and they DOJ would never allow it , the correct lobbiest and money to the right people ANYTHING is possible , likely no but possible.

The people that make these rules are for sale just like most of the government .

However JB is what a 12 billion is company at this high market , I say nothing happens till the next down fall which is when Mergers tend to take place , minus the outrageous price Alaska just paid for Virgin's hot flight attendants . Which is pretty much all they got in that deal.

I do agree tho a LLC is in United future, not asap but down the road .

RomeoHotel 07-12-2017 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2392627)
My point was that if a bunch of our mgmt was negotiating an aquistion, does anyone think a NK FLL gate agent had a clue who any of our leadership are, which is the genesis of this rumor?

That was a post by a UA guy, talking about UA mgmt, and UA gate agents.... They definitely know when upper level management travels into their station...

Grumble 07-12-2017 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by RomeoHotel (Post 2393190)
That was a post by a UA guy, talking about UA mgmt, and UA gate agents.... They definitely know when upper level management travels into their station...

I read that post as NK gate agents ID'd them... I'm smelling what you're stepping in now.

UALfoLIFE 07-12-2017 02:40 PM

Why merge with Spirit when AK is ready to give up 63 airbuses (+28 new orders) with an average age of 7 years? It may be coincidental but UAL's and AK's (merged) fleet plan are both due out about the same time, end of 2017.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/04/02/alaska-air-will-keep-virgin-americas-airbus-fleet.aspx

Sniper66 07-13-2017 02:20 AM


Originally Posted by UALfoLIFE (Post 2393453)
Why merge with Spirit when AK is ready to give up 63 airbuses (+28 new orders) with an average age of 7 years? It may be coincidental but UAL's and AK's (merged) fleet plan are both due out about the same time, end of 2017.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/...bus-fleet.aspx




Bingo

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azdryheat 07-13-2017 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2392485)
I'm calling BS. 99.9% of guys out there including me wouldn't know our own leadership in a line up, let alone other airline leadership. Never mind a gate agent.

Typically they have a lot of stars by their name and notes to indicate who they are on the PNR.
Also, when I have ever seen them getting on a plane, supervisors are falling all over themselves to make sure their are no issues.
I don't think it a secret when VP and above are on a flight.

SUX4U 07-13-2017 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by pilotpayne (Post 2392574)
One last thing it's not the JetBlue guys making this up and wishfully thinking about the joys of a merger without a cba. This has been coming from the United side.

From my experience talking shop with friends/coworkers (some flight managers, instructors, standards captains, line pilots) nobody has ever mumbled a word about JetBlue. Only place I hear anything is from JetBlue guys on APC. That's obviously just me, but just a counter to your statement that it's coming from our side.

rp2pilot 07-16-2017 09:58 PM


Originally Posted by azdryheat (Post 2393771)
Typically they have a lot of stars by their name and notes to indicate who they are on the PNR.
Also, when I have ever seen them getting on a plane, supervisors are falling all over themselves to make sure their are no issues.
I don't think it a secret when VP and above are on a flight.

Amazing how that works :). I had Oscar on a flight 5 months ago and there was no problem with catering, boarding, loading, final weights, open gate on arrival. Almost like they wanted the flight to go smoothly :).

Shrek 07-17-2017 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by ItnStln (Post 2392479)
Any idea why? That sounds like CAL acquired UAL, and took the UAL name since they were placed ahead of United.

Stop trollin - lol

ItnStln 07-17-2017 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by Shrek (Post 2395624)
Stop trollin - lol

I'm not trolling, it was a legitimate question and observation from what was posted!

David Puddy 07-17-2017 06:44 PM

How do you guys feel about the big 737-10 MAX order? Will that be a popular bid? Friends who fly the 900 tell me the thing is tough to land and, not surprisingly, a bit tight and uncomfortable up front (like most 737s)...

Tank21 07-17-2017 08:06 PM

I'm hoping for some 321's and 330's....

El10 07-17-2017 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by Tank21 (Post 2396018)
I'm hoping for some 321's and 330's....

Why would you need 321s after just committing to 161 200-seat airplanes?

What everyone is looking for is the insight into what will be the replacement plan for the older and smaller 737-700/800 and 319/320s. With a two year lead time on orders, they need to start getting serious with a plan.

Grumble 07-17-2017 09:48 PM


Originally Posted by El10 (Post 2396022)
Why would you need 321s after just committing to 161 200-seat airplanes?

What everyone is looking for is the insight into what will be the replacement plan for the older and smaller 737-700/800 and 319/320s. With a two year lead time on orders, they need to start getting serious with a plan.

Whats wrong with the current guppy fleet, other than the fact they're guppies? They have years of life left, most delivered in the last 4 years.

Virgin has a bunch of NEOS on order, 320/321s. They're taking 10 and the rest have been deferred until 2020. Their current fleet starts coming off lease in 2020.

United has 160ish 737 Max variants deferred until 2020, the 737-700 order that's been converted to Max 10's mainly.

Alaska final fleet plan will be announcement at the end of the year.

United fleet plan will be announced at the end of the year (4Q according to last Investor Conference presentation).

Makes too much sense to actually happen though.

El10 07-18-2017 04:18 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2396035)
Whats wrong with the current guppy fleet, other than the fact they're guppies? They have years of life left, most delivered in the last 4 years.

Virgin has a bunch of NEOS on order, 320/321s. They're taking 10 and the rest have been deferred until 2020. Their current fleet starts coming off lease in 2020.

United has 160ish 737 Max variants deferred until 2020, the 737-700 order that's been converted to Max 10's mainly.

Alaska final fleet plan will be announcement at the end of the year.

United fleet plan will be announced at the end of the year (4Q according to last Investor Conference presentation).

Makes too much sense to actually happen though.

Not all the Maxs were deffered until 2020. We start taking delivery of Max 9s next year.

Most of 700s are 1998/1999 vintage. A majority of the 800s were delivered in 1998-2001. Are we going to fly them for 25 years? 30 years? The 320/319s are a little bit older. Without a plan to replace these smallest of our fleet we are going to end up with a gap from 76 seats to 200. You have entire airlines that fit in that seat range.

ItnStln 07-18-2017 04:34 AM


Originally Posted by El10 (Post 2396076)
Not all the Maxs were deffered until 2020. We start taking delivery of Max 9s next year.

Most of 700s are 1998/1999 vintage. A majority of the 800s were delivered in 1998-2001. Are we going to fly them for 25 years? 30 years? The 320/319s are a little bit older. Without a plan to replace these smallest of our fleet we are going to end up with a gap from 76 seats to 200. You have entire airlines that fit in that seat range.

Perhaps the plan is to acquire an airline that fits in that seat range?

Regularguy 07-18-2017 04:42 AM


Originally Posted by El10 (Post 2396022)
What everyone is looking for is the insight into what will be the replacement plan for the older and smaller 737-700/800 and 319/320s. With a two year lead time on orders, they need to start getting serious with a plan.

What everyone is looking for is what cockpit will they be sitting in and on which side.

Luxury verses compromise, growth and seat movement verses stagnation these are what the Fleet Plan reallly means to pilots.

David Puddy 07-18-2017 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by El10 (Post 2396022)
Why would you need 321s after just committing to 161 200-seat airplanes?

What everyone is looking for is the insight into what will be the replacement plan for the older and smaller 737-700/800 and 319/320s. With a two year lead time on orders, they need to start getting serious with a plan.

Well, clearly the CSeries 100/300 could fit the bill.... :cool: As far as I know, Republic's original order for 40 CS300s is still outstanding:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...on-pla-425557/

No doubt UAL will be watching Delta's introduction of the CS100 and Air Canada's introduction of the CS300 closely. There are rumors that JB is considering dumping the E190 but that is all speculation at this point. I guess UAL could pick up JB's discarded E190s too..............

ItnStln 07-18-2017 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by David Puddy (Post 2396112)
Well, clearly the CSeries 100/300 could fit the bill.... :cool: As far as I know, Republic's original order for 40 CS300s is still outstanding:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...on-pla-425557/

No doubt UAL will be watching Delta's introduction of the CS100 and Air Canada's introduction of the CS300 closely. There are rumors that JB is considering dumping the E190 but that is all speculation at this point. I guess UAL could pick up JB's discarded E190s too..............

Why would Republic order CS300? Aren't they larger than the scope allows?

C11DCA 07-18-2017 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by ItnStln (Post 2396123)
Why would Republic order CS300? Aren't they larger than the scope allows?

At the time of the order, Republic owned Frontier.

David Puddy 07-18-2017 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by ItnStln (Post 2396123)
Why would Republic order CS300? Aren't they larger than the scope allows?

These were originally ordered for Frontier when Republic owned Frontier a few years back....

ItnStln 07-18-2017 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by C11DCA (Post 2396128)
At the time of the order, Republic owned Frontier.


Originally Posted by David Puddy (Post 2396130)
These were originally ordered for Frontier when Republic owned Frontier a few years back....

That makes sense, thanks for explaining it!


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