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Good point!

The A-350 is coming May of 2018. But it will be fenced to only Jet Blue hires after the merger. The training center will not be finished as a training center. The remaining unfinished portions are being converted to a prison for very naughty Victoria Secret Angels. I have a class dates for a guard position.

There are going to be 2,000 new pilots hired next year. You will not be one of them.

The A-380 is definitely coming in 2019 with 500 solid orders. Only pilots with the letters A or Z in their initials will be allowed to bid it though. I heard all of these while playing quarters with Oscar and Scott at the top secret TK Weenie fest in Costa Rica last week.

You can take all of this to the bank.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂..........Well played Hoss!

All planned 2017 and January 2018 class dates removed from potential dates today.

These dates were added back.

2018:
February 6, 2018
March 6, 2018
March 20, 2018
April 3, 2018
April 17, 2018

Updated August 16, 2017
Through our May 2, 2017 Basic Indoc (BI) class, we have added 253 new hire pilots to the family. We have also welcomed back 41 furloughed pilots and 22 pilots who had been out on leaves of absence, for a total of 316 new/returning pilots so far this year.

These 316 pilots are now helping us fly our summer block hours and we have taken a break from BI classes for the summer months. We have 153 pilots in our new hire pool.

As decisions are made on our future fleet plan, we will ultimately have a better idea of what the Fall of this year looks like for hiring, as well as 2018, so stay tuned.

We also just posted the planned class dates for January through through April.

As always, plans are subject to change and we will update this site with any significant modifications.

Where is this information from? Can you post all the class dates planned please

Only ones currently showing planned are the ones listed above a couple of posts. Feb-April. Listed on flyingtogether.

Oh ok. I'm looking there under class dates and all I see for newhires is nov 7 nov 28 dec 5 dec 12

flyingtogether->flightops->resource center->hiring and recalls.

Interesting.. so it would seem that the actual hiring of pilots for 2017 may just over the number of pilots retiring/leaving the Seniority List.

Think there is still a pretty good disparity between total pilots on the list vs. Active Pilots.

I laughed years ago when people were stating 16000 and 18000 pilots on the list.
Not gonna happen.
Lets just hope that we continue to hire to cover retirements.

Recently in the Computer Based Training, there was a slide that mentioned 2000 pilots retiring in the next 5 years, and the hiring of 3000 pilots with 4000 transitioning!
So, basic math would leave us to believe that if we lose about 400 pilots a year, we will hire about 600.
A far cry from the 1200 that the union mentioned a few months ago.

Until we see a major growth order of aircraft, don't expect huge numbers of hiring. Just my opinion. That being said, we will still be hiring, which is better than not hiring, let alone furloughing!

Thank you sir!

So they are done with classes for the rest of this year?

No. 2 classes in November 2 in December

The hiring and recalls page, updated today, says zero classes until Feb. Why they're showing in the class page and not on the hiring page, who knows.

I'm not sure that's what I read. It says 2018: and lists the classes posted.

But for the class dates remaining in 2017 the November and December is still up. It's all pretty confusing. I'd hoped for some aggressive hiring numbers.

Yeah I'm not sure, but the 2017 classes all used to be there and now they are not.

There are NO classes posted for the rest of 2017.

Hopefully they will add one or two back. The message that was with it said they will make adjustments as needed based on the mystery fleet plan nobody knows about.... Was hoping there would be a vacancy to make room for the new hires so that low end seniority guys like me could get into a new base...

Understood. Disappointing.... hope that changes

Yes the update today has definitely confused things!!

On the basic indoc/redoc page there are still the 4 classes this Fall (2 in Nov and 2 in Dec), but on the New Hire page those classes are gone, as well as the ones for January of 2018???

Definitely mixed signals. Not sure if it means they have enough furlough/LOA returns already committed to cover their needs for the Nov / Dec classes, or if they have received an update that makes their need less, or a combination of both??

Age 67 announcement to follow. The fleet plan clearly explained all this.

Sorry this is correct, the dates were removed on one page but remain on the next. Mixed message for sure, did they intend to remove the class dates or not?

We're buying JetBlue, hiring to resume after the SLI.

I did notice that the December class dates are now a week apart? Can't recall if they were scheduled that way prior to this update...
(Fingers crossed)

I coincidentally have a picture of the 7/18 update and it too showed December 5 & 12 classes

Jetblue is buying us and stapling us to the bottom of the list.

I wonder how much that 153 pilot pool has dwindled. February is a long way off especially considering that Feb could become even longer if they make another change again. Hard to justify another 6 months waiting on the hope they run a class in February.

At TK yesterday, was told by an instructor they were told no new hire classes until February.

Typical United....hire right up until you furlough!


I smell a MERGER.

DO NOT WAIT for any company. Get the first prom date you can and if a prettier girl says yes eventually, then evaluate your options.

This industry is way too fickle for anyone to put their own career advancement on hold while a particular company decides whether it needs more pilots or not.

The ONLY smart play as a pilot is to send resumes to every company you'd be happy to make a career at until one of those companies calls, and then keep updating until your precious chosen one says yes.

Oh BTW if UAL doesn't hire another pilot till March of 2018, there will be 10 others that think this timing is just perfect! It's not personal, it's business.

I guess the music has stopped at UAL

Anyone here still think Scott Kirby was hired to compete? Or believe him when he says so?

Just probably prepping for bumping DCA 777, West Coast 787 if enough 787 folks don't bid SFO 777 or DEN 756 in a future vacancy.

And closing LAX 777, IAH 777, CLE, and GUM.

IAH 777 and GUM??!! Shirley, you can't be serious?

And there it is the mega disaster post you said I couldn't find......I didn't even bother looking through your post history I knew you would pony up an example.

IAH 777????? Really?

Between all the pilots still on some sort of furlough status that have to return sometime in 2018 and the displacements, the training dept seems pretty buried. I'd guess the company doesn't see the logic in bringing a bunch of new-hires on books and then having them sit around waiting for training. I don't think the sky is falling. Is it a let down that new pilots aren't coming on board as quickly as we would all like?.... of course. I'm going to stay cautiously optimistic (for now) that the company is just putting the existing manning where it needs to be.

The story I've heard from a reasonably reliable source:

1. The company is slightly OVERstaffed but pilots aren't staffed where they need to be (IAH 777 and IAH 756, specifically).

2. A lot of "surplus" pilots from the -400.

3. TK backed up because of the bumps.

All of that along with Kirby's claim of increasing block hours without additional hiring. The sky is not falling (yet), but frustrating to see classes cancelled.

Wait a week and we'll be back too hiring 1200 this year.

Mega disaster? This would just be reshuffling. A disaster would be furloughs. A mega disaster would be two furloughs. Trust me. I know. You must not. Reshuffling isn't a disaster.

Yes, IAH 777, eventually.

I predict all 756 bases will close, eventually! :D

I've never understood this line of reasoning for the following reasons: training capability is fleet specific, so what does the huge load the 777/787 fleet groups have to swallow have to do with newhire training? It may indeed be that the widebody instructor ranks are being stretched to capacity, but what are the 73/Bus instructors and simulators doing other than their standard CQ business? In the last displacement I recall very few widebody FOs moving to the left seat of a narrowbody, it seemed like most just took up the same seat in the 777/787.

If anything I'd imagine the narrowbody LCA and SIM instructors are a bit bored waiting for BI classes to start running again.