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oldmako 09-30-2017 09:45 PM


Originally Posted by Lemons (Post 2439189)
Might be time to get over that nonsense.

I've got your nonsense right here. Perhaps we ought to let Aldrich Ames out of prison as well? And AC, shall I slap him on the back and buy him a beer on an overnight? Forgive and forget? Anyone who thinks scabs should be given a pass is astonishingly myopic and/or afraid of their own shadow.

Just look at the crap going on now at Ryanair.

You must have aced the Hogan. Or, written it.

Davedave 10-01-2017 02:54 AM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 2439266)
I've got your nonsense right here. Perhaps we ought to let Aldrich Ames out of prison as well? And AC, shall I slap him on the back and buy him a beer on an overnight? Forgive and forget? Anyone who thinks scabs should be given a pass is astonishingly myopic and/or afraid of their own shadow.

Just look at the crap going on now at Ryanair.

You must have aced the Hogan. Or, written it.

So that's what the Hogan tests!

RomeoHotel 10-01-2017 05:26 AM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 2439266)
I've got your nonsense right here. Perhaps we ought to let Aldrich Ames out of prison as well? And AC, shall I slap him on the back and buy him a beer on an overnight? Forgive and forget? Anyone who thinks scabs should be given a pass is astonishingly myopic and/or afraid of their own shadow.

Just look at the crap going on now at Ryanair.

You must have aced the Hogan. Or, written it.

A.....men, Mako

Airway 10-01-2017 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 2439266)
I've got your nonsense right here. Perhaps we ought to let Aldrich Ames out of prison as well? And AC, shall I slap him on the back and buy him a beer on an overnight? Forgive and forget? Anyone who thinks scabs should be given a pass is astonishingly myopic and/or afraid of their own shadow.

Just look at the crap going on now at Ryanair.

You must have aced the Hogan. Or, written it.

I don't think scabs have anything to do with the Hogan. Hogan is supposed to test character. You have to have at least a detectable amount to pass it.

HuggyU2 10-01-2017 11:29 AM

I know a United Captain that was around during the '85 strike, and has done a lot of ALPA work in the past.

I found it really interesting when he said it was fortunate the strike only lasted a month, because many of the people that ended up being such vociferous haters of those that crossed the line, would have also crossed had the strike drug on.

Grumble 10-01-2017 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by Lemons (Post 2439189)
Might be time to get over that nonsense.

You must be a Scab. No forgiveness. Ever.


Originally Posted by HuggyU2 (Post 2439469)
I know a United Captain that was around during the '85 strike, and has done a lot of ALPA work in the past.

I found it really interesting when he said it was fortunate the strike only lasted a month, because many of the people that ended up being such vociferous haters of those that crossed the line, would have also crossed had the strike drug on.

The pragmatists will tell you they were days away from collapse. Meanwhile the CAL strikers gutted it out for how long? Then had to come back to a once great operation over run with the dregs of the lav truck. No one ever talks about those guys.

Floyd 10-01-2017 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by Airway (Post 2439415)
I don't think scabs have anything to do with the Hogan. Hogan is supposed to test character. You have to have at least a detectable amount to pass it.

Hogan tests more than that. In its simplest form, it tests your normal/bright side. Obviously, hiring is targeted towards a certain mentality. That's the company's prerogative since they hold the keys to the ship. They are striving to build a pilot force they feel is beneficial for the "company."

I've heard a lot of comments over the recent years which do give me pause.
..."i've been hired to turn this company around for the better."
..."i'm here to change the pilot culture."
..."the cpo is my friend and the union not so much."
..."i was 3 when the strike occurred, scabs don't affect me and it's time to let it go."
..."i'm not like those United pilots who were here in 2000."
... when enforcing the contract "the cpo might get upset."
..."if you refuse the airplane, you're going to inconvenience a lot of passengers."

I could go on but the above is a fairly good sample. There are a lot of rose colored glasses, but time does breed reality.

Floyd 10-01-2017 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by HuggyU2 (Post 2439469)
I know a United Captain that was around during the '85 strike, and has done a lot of ALPA work in the past.

I found it really interesting when he said it was fortunate the strike only lasted a month, because many of the people that ended up being such vociferous haters of those that crossed the line, would have also crossed had the strike drug on.

The first paragraph in no way qualifies the second. All that matters is whether they crossed or not.

oldmako 10-01-2017 01:34 PM

And the normalization and acceptance of deviance.

Grumble 10-01-2017 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by Floyd (Post 2439520)
Hogan tests more than that. In its simplest form, it tests your normal/bright side. Obviously, hiring is targeted towards a certain mentality. That's the company's prerogative since they hold the keys to the ship. They are striving to build a pilot force they feel is beneficial for the "company."

I've heard a lot of comments over the recent years which do give me pause.
..."i've been hired to turn this company around for the better."
..."i'm here to change the pilot culture."
..."the cpo is my friend and the union not so much."
..."i was 3 when the strike occurred, scabs don't affect me and it's time to let it go."
..."i'm not like those United pilots who were here in 2000."
... when enforcing the contract "the cpo might get upset."
..."if you refuse the airplane, you're going to inconvenience a lot of passengers."

I could go on but the above is a fairly good sample. There are a lot of rose colored glasses, but time does breed reality.

WOW.

filler


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