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dmeg13021 10-04-2017 04:39 AM

Doesn't show backfills on the bus anywhere...should still show up on the final though, keep that bid in.

PA Slammer 10-04-2017 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by dmeg13021 (Post 2440808)
Doesn't show backfills on the bus anywhere...should still show up on the final though, keep that bid in.

Why? I don't get that. If one goes out, one should go in. Right? Unless they're downsizing. So the last minute crap where the final looks so different than the snapshots is because why?

MiLa 10-04-2017 05:10 AM

Check the min/max numbers on the bulletin.... The min numbers are less than the current pilot count. Therefore they are not required to backfill. Doesn't mean they won't, but just depends on what they want to do with the numbers there.

PA Slammer 10-04-2017 05:14 AM


Originally Posted by MiLa (Post 2440820)
Check the min/max numbers on the bulletin.... The min numbers are less than the current pilot count. Therefore they are not required to backfill. Doesn't mean they won't, but just depends on what they want to do with the numbers there.

I get that, but why change it at the last minute? Shouldn't a snapshot show what they would do at that moment? Dunno why I even bother. Just seems like it would help everyone involved.

SVA402 10-04-2017 05:20 AM


Originally Posted by PA Slammer (Post 2440815)
Why? I don't get that. If one goes out, one should go in. Right? Unless they're downsizing. So the last minute crap where the final looks so different than the snapshots is because why?

Same on the 756. We’re opening over 60 positions on it and not a single 756 backfill to another base...

PA Slammer 10-04-2017 05:31 AM


Originally Posted by SVA402 (Post 2440824)
Same on the 756. We’re opening over 60 positions on it and not a single 756 backfill to another base...

I can maybe understand that as the flying "may" move from those other hubs since DEN 756 is a new 756 hub.

But the DEN 320 isn't new and there are quite a few moving out of it. 7 Captains and 6 FOs. My bet the final looks way different.

Chuck D 10-04-2017 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by PA Slammer (Post 2440827)
But the DEN 320 isn't new and there are quite a few moving out of it. 7 Captains and 6 FOs. My bet the final looks way different.

How does that factor in w/ LTA and SUP slots? Are those usually backfilled also?

PA Slammer 10-04-2017 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by Chuck D (Post 2440838)
How does that factor in w/ LTA and SUP slots? Are those usually backfilled also?

Don't ask me... still trying to understand why they do what they do.

MasterOfPuppets 10-04-2017 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by PA Slammer (Post 2440827)
I can maybe understand that as the flying "may" move from those other hubs since DEN 756 is a new 756 hub.

But the DEN 320 isn't new and there are quite a few moving out of it. 7 Captains and 6 FOs. My bet the final looks way different.

Remember it is winter and reduced flying. Maybe they are trying to meter the pilots so they don't have to hire to many right now when we don't need them. Unfilled vacancies need to be filled within 3 months if they plan to do so. New hire classes are not planned (for now) until FEB, to get the new pilots on line for the summer schedule. There will be another bid before the new hire classes and it will most likely be bigger than this one with more NB CA bids and to top off all fleets for summer flying.

dmeg13021 10-04-2017 07:20 AM

I took another look at the min/max, and that's where the answer is.

If the number out drops a BES below the min, the backfill shows up on the snapshot. If it is still at min or above, the company isn't required to backfill regardless of how many bid out; thus, it isn't until the final that they post backfills above the min.

For instance, DEN 737 FO is 172 min/172 max. DEN 320 FO is 132 min/162 max. 7 guppy guys bid out, 7 come in on snapshot. 6 bus guys bid out, company can choose to do nothing or backfill 1-6 guys. So they'll wait to see how everything else shakes out before adjusting the new min/max and releasing the unfilled for new hires.


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