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missingbite 01-18-2018 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by rp2pilot (Post 2505701)
Hypothetically: the company hears your plaint and says, starting in March, they'll be published no later than 0000 on the 17th instead of the 18th. March comes around, there will the same guys saying, "it's 2250 on the 16th and the lines aren't out yet, why can't they get them out early." The next month, the company says they'll publish them no later than 0000 on the 16th. April comes around, the same guys are saying, "it's 2250 on the 15th and the lines aren't out yet."

My wife flies for SWA....As an FO her bidding closed on the 9th and two hours later she had her line. They also have avoidance bids for Captains they don't want to fly with. UAL bidding is a disgrace.

crflyer 01-18-2018 12:15 PM

Exactly. There are people I have flown with who defend this system and I just cannot understand how that’s possible. It’s terrible.

130shadow 01-18-2018 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by ugleeual (Post 2505875)
should be published at 0300LBT on the 17th... that way we will all be sound asleep and have something to look forward to in the morning (like Christmas). :D

i suppose they could put out the awards at 0300LBT when we are asleep, but PBS is like sex, i like to go to sleep after getting screwed

rp2pilot 01-18-2018 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by missingbite (Post 2505921)
My wife flies for SWA....As an FO her bidding closed on the 9th and two hours later she had her line. They also have avoidance bids for Captains they don't want to fly with. UAL bidding is a disgrace.

The same people would be complaining still, but they'd say, "bidding closed 1 hour ago and I still don't have my line. This place S#$#S."

baseball 01-18-2018 02:47 PM

PBS is a concession.

Rename it to BIS...Butts In Seats. Cuz that's all it really does. It puts booties in chairs.

terminal 01-18-2018 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by missingbite (Post 2505921)
My wife flies for SWA....As an FO her bidding closed on the 9th and two hours later she had her line. They also have avoidance bids for Captains they don't want to fly with. UAL bidding is a disgrace.

But they also do line bidding which really doesn’t have he same computing requirements as PBS. Not defending it, but it’s much easier for the computer to dole out your choice of lines then it is for it to spit out every single PBS request.
I do not like PBS, but I wouldn’t use SWA as an example of the gold standard of IT-just ask anyone that works there-it’s worse than we are. (I’m not just talking about bidding).
I’d be happy to close bidding a week earlier if we could get our schedule a week earlier.

baseball 01-18-2018 06:37 PM

[QUOTE=terminal;2506069]But they also do line bidding which really doesn’t have he same computing requirements as PBS. [QUOTE]

Keep It Simple Sam.

Think of all the money SWA is saving on computers.....

PBS is a concession. If SWA pilots were to concede and give in to management, they would need a 30 % pay raise to nibble on the cheese.

The CAL and UAL pilots, with one post merger contract and one extension have yet to be properly reimbursed for their concessions, the concession that keeps on giving. No manpower staffing minimums, minimum ALPA input, and no ALPA control. It's a concession because it allows the company to operate unfettered, reduce staffing, and it forces pilots to give up control, and in the end, it marginalizes and abrogates your seniority.

Seniority used to mean allot...That was before PBS. Now, not so much.

terminal 01-18-2018 06:48 PM

[QUOTE=baseball;2506253][QUOTE=terminal;2506069]But they also do line bidding which really doesn’t have he same computing requirements as PBS.


Keep It Simple Sam.

Think of all the money SWA is saving on computers.....

PBS is a concession. If SWA pilots were to concede and give in to management, they would need a 30 % pay raise to nibble on the cheese.

The CAL and UAL pilots, with one post merger contract and one extension have yet to be properly reimbursed for their concessions, the concession that keeps on giving. No manpower staffing minimums, minimum ALPA input, and no ALPA control. It's a concession because it allows the company to operate unfettered, reduce staffing, and it forces pilots to give up control, and in the end, it marginalizes and abrogates your seniority.

Seniority used to mean allot...That was before PBS. Now, not so much.
I’m not arguing PBS vs Line Select-it IS a concession-and I’d much rather have line bidding with Swa vacation rules. I was merely talking about the speed at which the bids are processed.

cal73 01-18-2018 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by missingbite (Post 2505921)
My wife flies for SWA....As an FO her bidding closed on the 9th and two hours later she had her line. They also have avoidance bids for Captains they don't want to fly with. UAL bidding is a disgrace.


Thank you!!

It’s not a real problem at UAL.
Being a first officer is a choice. Lol.


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Airway 01-18-2018 10:08 PM

[QUOTE=baseball;2506253][QUOTE=terminal;2506069]But they also do line bidding which really doesn’t have he same computing requirements as PBS.


Keep It Simple Sam.

Think of all the money SWA is saving on computers.....

PBS is a concession. If SWA pilots were to concede and give in to management, they would need a 30 % pay raise to nibble on the cheese.

The CAL and UAL pilots, with one post merger contract and one extension have yet to be properly reimbursed for their concessions, the concession that keeps on giving. No manpower staffing minimums, minimum ALPA input, and no ALPA control. It's a concession because it allows the company to operate unfettered, reduce staffing, and it forces pilots to give up control, and in the end, it marginalizes and abrogates your seniority.

Seniority used to mean allot...That was before PBS. Now, not so much.
PBS isn't so much a problem in and of itself. Global solution is. There are PBS systems that exist that do not abrogate seniority and are much more user friendly.

I get your point about staffing but I would hate to go back to bidding on prebuilt lines.


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