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01-19-2018 | 07:05 AM
#41
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[QUOTE=Airway;2506356][QUOTE=baseball;2506253]
Pre-built lines weren't all that bad. PBS really only benefits the top 10% in each fleet/seat. Everyone else suffers.
It will never happen now that the horse is out, but pre-built lines, remember, you may not have gotten what you wanted, but we had an effective trip trade system so you could fix it. Now, you can't, trip trading is a joke. But don't worry, we'll fix it in the next contract.
But they also do line bidding which really doesn’t have he same computing requirements as PBS.
PBS isn't so much a problem in and of itself. Global solution is. There are PBS systems that exist that do not abrogate seniority and are much more user friendly.
I get your point about staffing but I would hate to go back to bidding on prebuilt lines.
PBS isn't so much a problem in and of itself. Global solution is. There are PBS systems that exist that do not abrogate seniority and are much more user friendly.
I get your point about staffing but I would hate to go back to bidding on prebuilt lines.
It will never happen now that the horse is out, but pre-built lines, remember, you may not have gotten what you wanted, but we had an effective trip trade system so you could fix it. Now, you can't, trip trading is a joke. But don't worry, we'll fix it in the next contract.
01-19-2018 | 07:28 AM
#42
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From: Airbus 320 Captain
[QUOTE=Airway;2506356][QUOTE=baseball;2506253]
We could probably eliminate the whole global solution thing by getting rid of a published g line. Let the computer build lines in seniority order. When it can't build any more legal lines, everyone below just goes on reserve and the left over trips would go into open time. I'd guess the reserve line would move up about 5%, but the senior guys would get more of their choices.
But they also do line bidding which really doesn’t have he same computing requirements as PBS.
PBS isn't so much a problem in and of itself. Global solution is. There are PBS systems that exist that do not abrogate seniority and are much more user friendly.
I get your point about staffing but I would hate to go back to bidding on prebuilt lines.
PBS isn't so much a problem in and of itself. Global solution is. There are PBS systems that exist that do not abrogate seniority and are much more user friendly.
I get your point about staffing but I would hate to go back to bidding on prebuilt lines.
01-19-2018 | 07:48 AM
#43
Line Holder
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[QUOTE=rp2pilot;2506521][QUOTE=Airway;2506356]
IMO, if you're anywhere near the g-line there's a lot of value in knowing it. Especially if you're at or above by a few spots. It's not perfect but I think it works well.
At previous airline there was no such thing and there were times when far more people were bumped onto reserve than anticipated when block hours were low, and sometimes senior pilots found themselves on reserve for questionable reasons and despite not overly restrictive bid groups (yes there were "line donors" too).
With the g-line, IF getting a line is critical (commuter, juggling schedules w/ kids in the equation, etc), you know what your last bid group must be to ensure you get at least some sort of line.
We could probably eliminate the whole global solution thing by getting rid of a published g line. Let the computer build lines in seniority order. When it can't build any more legal lines, everyone below just goes on reserve and the left over trips would go into open time. I'd guess the reserve line would move up about 5%, but the senior guys would get more of their choices.
At previous airline there was no such thing and there were times when far more people were bumped onto reserve than anticipated when block hours were low, and sometimes senior pilots found themselves on reserve for questionable reasons and despite not overly restrictive bid groups (yes there were "line donors" too).
With the g-line, IF getting a line is critical (commuter, juggling schedules w/ kids in the equation, etc), you know what your last bid group must be to ensure you get at least some sort of line.
01-19-2018 | 08:09 AM
#44
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[QUOTE=Chuck D;2506550][QUOTE=rp2pilot;2506521]
IMO, if you're anywhere near the g-line there's a lot of value in knowing it. Especially if you're at or above by a few spots. It's not perfect but I think it works well.
At previous airline there was no such thing and there were times when far more people were bumped onto reserve than anticipated when block hours were low, and sometimes senior pilots found themselves on reserve for questionable reasons and despite not overly restrictive bid groups (yes there were "line donors" too).
With the g-line, IF getting a line is critical (commuter, juggling schedules w/ kids in the equation, etc), you know what your last bid group must be to ensure you get at least some sort of line.
Not trying to sound dismissive, but it's a serious question. Is the G line system a significant reason we have Global Solution screwing over a bunch of lineholders every month? It seems like it only *kind of* benefits a very small group of pilots at the expense of many. How does knowing if you're above the g-line help commuters or people with schedule inflexibility? If you're so close that you don't know if you're getting a line or not, whatever line you might get is not going to be commutable anyhow, and will probably stink either way.
IMO, if you're anywhere near the g-line there's a lot of value in knowing it. Especially if you're at or above by a few spots. It's not perfect but I think it works well.
At previous airline there was no such thing and there were times when far more people were bumped onto reserve than anticipated when block hours were low, and sometimes senior pilots found themselves on reserve for questionable reasons and despite not overly restrictive bid groups (yes there were "line donors" too).
With the g-line, IF getting a line is critical (commuter, juggling schedules w/ kids in the equation, etc), you know what your last bid group must be to ensure you get at least some sort of line.
01-19-2018 | 08:24 AM
#45
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[QUOTE=rp2pilot;2506521][QUOTE=Airway;2506356]
If that worked, I would be all for it. I'm tired of getting the "Requested Award prevents solution completion" in the Reason Report.
We could probably eliminate the whole global solution thing by getting rid of a published g line. Let the computer build lines in seniority order. When it can't build any more legal lines, everyone below just goes on reserve and the left over trips would go into open time. I'd guess the reserve line would move up about 5%, but the senior guys would get more of their choices.
01-19-2018 | 10:07 AM
#46
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[QUOTE=Tony Nelson;2506580][QUOTE=rp2pilot;2506521]Right-this should be unacceptable. If you can hold it in this situation we should get it. That’s why we have reserve and open time and seniority
01-19-2018 | 11:07 AM
#48
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