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ANGFlight81 04-29-2018 12:10 AM


Originally Posted by flyguy81 (Post 2582260)
I'm 2.5 yrs on property. Avg 15 off and 120 tfp. I'm at $111/trip to compare. Looking forward to yr 5 pay when we reach pay parity with AA/DL/UAL.


Like he said; but I average 16 days off a month. Depends on the base and trip availability...our tfp rate looks deceiving. $200+ an hour sounds nice but we make up for it in different ways

ANGFlight81 04-29-2018 12:22 AM


Originally Posted by Half wing (Post 2582305)
Almost here 5 years on 787. Easy to get 75 hours on reserve at $205/hr. This year averaged 8 days work a month. Commute has been easy with 13 hour call out. Average about 4 short calls a month.

Interesting. My neighbor is a 20+ year guy at UAL, right seat 777. He hand picks his trips...says he can’t get a schedule that good. Are you maybe counting reserve days not called or padding your numbers a bit?

BobWiley 04-29-2018 02:50 AM


Originally Posted by ANGFlight81 (Post 2582433)
Interesting. My neighbor is a 20+ year guy at UAL, right seat 777. He hand picks his trips...says he can’t get a schedule that good. Are you maybe counting reserve days not called or padding your numbers a bit?

I'm super duper junior on the triple- half the time it's a line, half the time it's reserve. When I get a line it's 18 days off and low 70s credit. For reserve I typically do 1 trip a month and maybe 4 short calls. So I'm assuming the previous post was referring to days called to fly or days required to be in base (not counting reserve days sitting at home)

ANGFlight81 04-29-2018 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by BobWiley (Post 2582443)
I'm super duper junior on the triple- half the time it's a line, half the time it's reserve. When I get a line it's 18 days off and low 70s credit. For reserve I typically do 1 trip a month and maybe 4 short calls. So I'm assuming the previous post was referring to days called to fly or days required to be in base (not counting reserve days sitting at home)

I figured. That makes a big difference in the grand scheme of things...my friend here does about 80 credit a month and seems to be around 14-15 days off a month

Spicy McHaggis 04-29-2018 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 2582358)
Should he choose to, he could fly more and make a lot more... hence the question whether United WB FO's can choose to fly more other than just depending on 75 hour guarantee.

Like ANG says, work rules/rigs make all the difference in the world.


FWIW, I'm a 12 yr WB FO line holder (except for one month where I bid reserve and didn't fly the entire month and no FSB). Last year, on average, for every block hour I flew I got paid about 1.5hrs.

Flew about 800 hrs last year (yes on purpose) and was paid over 1200hrs. That's just the regular flight pay (not PS, per diem, etc).

I doubt I ever had less than 16 days off in a month with most being 18-20.

It can be done.

Andy 04-29-2018 05:54 AM


Originally Posted by ANGFlight81 (Post 2582433)
Interesting. My neighbor is a 20+ year guy at UAL, right seat 777. He hand picks his trips...says he can’t get a schedule that good. Are you maybe counting reserve days not called or padding your numbers a bit?

It can vary quite a bit between BES and time of year. Plus, your neighbor may have specific trips he picks up/avoids.

Half wing 04-29-2018 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by webecheck (Post 2582408)
Where do you commute from and how many assigned SC do you average? Field standby exist on the 87? Any idea if the 777 is different? And I guess most importantly, are the SC structured so you can commute down and back same day? Trying to get an idea if it really is different than commuting to reserve on the NB. I should be able to hold the 777 on this bid and debating it, just don’t want to deal with 5am SC driving a commute the night before, etc.

Thanks!

Commute from Denver. Average about 4 SC a month. They don’t assign field stand by on 87. They could, but don’t. Earliest SC starts at 8 am. Not sure about 777. Less commutability on 777.

Half wing 04-29-2018 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by ANGFlight81 (Post 2582433)
Interesting. My neighbor is a 20+ year guy at UAL, right seat 777. He hand picks his trips...says he can’t get a schedule that good. Are you maybe counting reserve days not called or padding your numbers a bit?

Absolutely counting reserve days not called as days off. My phone is on 18 days a month but I know the day before if I will have to commute out. For March I worked 3 days. It would be hard for me to go back to the SouthWest style death march 14 or 16 days of work a month.

A 20 yr. 777 fo is getting a minimum of 18 days off a month unless he wants to work more.

webecheck 04-29-2018 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by Half wing (Post 2582512)
Commute from Denver. Average about 4 SC a month. They don’t assign field stand by on 87. They could, but don’t. Earliest SC starts at 8 am. Not sure about 777. Less commutability on 777.

So basically you never need to go out the day before for a SC? That’s nice. Any thought to bidding something in Denver to avoid commuting, or is it really that much better? I get the pay is more, but the pain of commuting to SCs usually kills the fun for me. Wish we could have pure SC or LC lines.

Dave Fitzgerald 04-29-2018 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by webecheck (Post 2582408)
Where do you commute from and how many assigned SC do you average? Field standby exist on the 87? Any idea if the 777 is different? And I guess most importantly, are the SC structured so you can commute down and back same day? Trying to get an idea if it really is different than commuting to reserve on the NB. I should be able to hold the 777 on this bid and debating it, just don’t want to deal with 5am SC driving a commute the night before, etc.

Thanks!

SFO 777 reserve. Crew desk will build so many short calls that effectively make long call a thing of the past. And no, if they can, they will build them at all times of the day, so no consideration at all given to any ability to commute to a short call assignment. About the only thing going for a reserve is the no assignment before 10 am coming off of days off.


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