The big question: if Boeing does this, would they be a headhunter middleman, or would these be regular Boeing-factory acceptance/test-pilots?

If these are regular Boeing guys, they are unlikely to feel scrutiny or pressure due to their scabbish actions. (Since not pursuing a 121 job, but would also be in a position where they could not say “not gonna do it”).

If Boeing is just the crew-placement service, then they will likely get the vermin one would expect...and protests will fall on deaf ears.

If UA is doing a joint venture with Avianca (I am unfamiliar with the details), then the strongest position may well be UA-ALPa telling the company we see this as a strike-breaking move (after the fact).

Not only is UA perusing an Avianca JV, UA is also actively trying to BUY 49% of Avianca. The stock purchase is currently held up in court as the two major Avianca shareholders are fighting each other over the terms of the deal.

Kinda brings into focus UA’s pilot contract opener involving expanded JVs and airline ownership, huh?

Tell that to my auto correct, I’m don’t fighting with it. But I’m glad that’s the point you took from this conversation about SCABS.

Yeah that was autocorrect


Cartagena domicile!!!!

Any change to JV language needs to have much stronger language on proportion of flying between the two countries. The US market is where everyone want to fly, but that doesn't mean we should roll over and take it!

Look at the LH flying between Germany and the US versus our flying between the Germany and US.

Look at the ANA flying between Japan and the US versus our flying between Japan and the US. The proportion of that flying is already way out of whack. They fly more to our hubs than we do to theirs and then they fly a bunch of other flights to other US destinations.

Look at the route they just announced for the Air New Zealand flight from AKL-ORD. Plus they already fly to LAX, SFO, HNL and IAH. while with United metal we only go from SFO.

This stuff is what kills the top end growth for the airline.

Just ask a Delta pilot.

Yep ... They know well how it works.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed.../#390487e976c6

Apr 17, 2018 @ 01:04 PM

Boeing Provided Pilots To Replace Avianca Pilots Who Were Fired For Striking, ALPA Says


Ted Reed , Contributor

Boeing sent a dozen 787 pilots to work for Colombia’s Avianca after the carrier fired about a hundred pilots who participated in a seven-week strike that ended in November, the Air Line Pilots Association said.

On Monday, one of the dozen pilots was fired because he refused to fly in place of fired strikers, according to sources familiar with the events.

The fired pilot worked for Boeing’s purchased service pilots group, which provides pilot training for buyers of Boeing aircraft. It does not normally provide pilots to provide scheduled service, the source said.

Boeing spokesman Charles Bickers said the dozen pilots are not Boeing employees, but rather work for a contractor that supplies pilots to Boeing.

"The pilots supporting Avianca are employees of a purchased services supplier, and we don’t discuss supplier personnel matters," Bickers said.

Starting in late March, the contract pilots were flying some of Avianca’s routes from Bogota to Barcelona, London and Madrid.

Boeing sent the pilots to Colombia despite a March 27th letter to CEO Dennis Muilenburg from Tim Canoll, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, asking that it reconsider its move.

“We understand that the Boeing Company has agreed to provide 12 Boeing 787 pilots to Avianca for a period of eight months,” Canoll wrote. “It appears this agreement would result in the replacement of the 12 qualified and experienced Colombian airline pilots who honored the union’s strike.



The article is slightly inaccurate. The pilot who was terminated never travelled to Bogota. He refused the assignment on principle, very eloquently I might add. A second pilot was given the option to resign or go on unpaid leave. There are likely more to follow.

Good for them, I hope every MEC is going out their way to help them land on their feet. The SCABs should be added to the list and made known.

digeruntur scabie quoque et irrumabo

Questions:

- If these Boeing-supplied American citizen pilots actually fly for Avianca, and then later get a job with an ALPA-represented US carrier later, would they be allowed to be an ALPA member?

- If a Colombian pilot crosses the picket line, and then in a few years flies for an ALPA-represented US carrier, would they be allowed to be an ALPA member?

- If this situation were happening at a small foreign airlines like Jambojet (that isn't known in the US), would the implications of crossing the picket line be the same, WRT joining ALPA later?

Don't read anything into this, Powder Finger. I'm (still) not a management guy trying to subvert anything. I'm just curious.