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Originally Posted by sleeves
(Post 2582009)
They would be denied membership. I don't think they will be able to negotiate a deal like the CAL scabs did.
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Originally Posted by HuggyU2
(Post 2581139)
So, back to my original question. In fact, I'll condense it:
Once these pilots leave this temporary fill in job at Avianca... and if they get hired by a major US carrier... will ALPA / SWAPA / APA allow them to join the union? |
What Fanatical said. ^^
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Originally Posted by Sniper66
(Post 2581916)
Merger
But again you knew that You just ask to show the world how knowledgeable you are Did you receive a bad personal phone call? Did the stock market crash? Those are questions. I read my comment again and I don't see a question there so I'm confused as to how you thought I was asking anything. At no point did I disagree with your assertion that they would be disapproved. Although it might or might not happen. My comment was not directed at you. I was just lamenting how as a group we often beat up on those who have SCABed an ALPA picket line or an ALPA authorized strike of another union picket line but let others who have done the same back into the union. I wouldn't let them in but I guess National needs the money. Merger? Not really. Sure CAL gained the United SCABs. Some of those UAL SCABs wore pins. United gained the CAL SCABs and many of those wore pins. I'm sure DAL doesn't have the problem with SCABs. Were any still on the property with the NW merger? I don't know. Did any of the few that SCABed at Pan Am in 85 end up at DAL? I thought I saw one on the cover of the ALPA magazine in a DAL uniform wearing a pin and being recognized for his union work. How many eal SCABs did DAL hire? How many strikers? Not wanting to start a battle but instead just pointing out that it's easy to say we will not allow them in but it doesn't always work out that way. Peace out. |
Originally Posted by PowderFinger
(Post 2583738)
Shooter, Shooter, Shooter ...
Did you receive a bad personal phone call? Did the stock market crash? Those are questions. I read my comment again and I don't see a question there so I'm confused as to how you thought I was asking anything. At no point did I disagree with your assertion that they would be disapproved. Although it might or might not happen. My comment was not directed at you. I was just lamenting how as a group we often beat up on those who have SCABed an ALPA picket line or an ALPA authorized strike of another union picket line but let others who have done the same back into the union. I wouldn't let them in but I guess National needs the money. Merger? Not really. Sure CAL gained the United SCABs. Some of those UAL SCABs wore pins. United gained the CAL SCABs and many of those wore pins. I'm sure DAL doesn't have the problem with SCABs. Were any still on the property with the NW merger? I don't know. Did any of the few that SCABed at Pan Am in 85 end up at DAL? I thought I saw one on the cover of the ALPA magazine in a DAL uniform wearing a pin and being recognized for his union work. How many eal SCABs did DAL hire? How many strikers? Not wanting to start a battle but instead just pointing out that it's easy to say we will not allow them in but it doesn't always work out that way. Peace out. 1998 the airline was shut down for three weeks No scabs....do some research of your own But again a scab is a scab and a scab will always be a scab regardless |
Originally Posted by Sniper66
(Post 2583774)
1998 the airline was shut down for three weeks
No scabs....do some research of your own But again a scab is a scab and a scab will always be a scab regardless Agreed .... a SCAB is a SCAB. |
Originally Posted by Sniper66
(Post 2583774)
1998 the airline was shut down for three weeks
No scabs....do some research of your own But again a scab is a scab and a scab will always be a scab regardless I have no doubt that the NW pilot group strengthened the DAL pilot group union wise. I was pointing out DAL deeds of the past that is part of your present group. Deeds that probably would not have been tolerated at NW. In the future? Who knows. You must be an original rattlesnake ... always quick to strike ... here as well! |
Originally Posted by fanaticalflyer
(Post 2582222)
These scabs are NOT going to apply to a US carrier.
While the whole thing reeks and these ~10 pilots will hopefully never show up on US soil, throwing about the "scab" term like "burn the witch!" might be inaccurate. Maybe not. It's a litmus test. Do they actually meet ALPA's definition of having crossed a picket line? And would you be as vocal if this was from a small airline based in Africa? |
Originally Posted by HuggyU2
(Post 2584086)
Yes, I figured that also. However, you still never answered my question. Only Sniper was willing to speculate. It seems most posters on here are hesitant to comment on how ALPA/SWAPA/APA would see it.
While the whole thing reeks and these ~10 pilots will hopefully never show up on US soil, throwing about the "scab" term like "burn the witch!" might be inaccurate. Maybe not. It's a litmus test. Do they actually meet ALPA's definition of having crossed a picket line? And would you be as vocal if this was from a small airline based in Africa? Without having read this whole thread, being a replacement worker for a fired striker is close enough to me to be considered a scab. |
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