Line pilots to be "pretend" students for TK
#21
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 332
Look, I’m as skeptical as the next guy but come on! If the DENFTC management didn’t think outside of the box and did not offer this UPA compliant special assignment opportunity and in the Fall, we were not able to train new hires and upgrades due to lack of instructors, what would we be saying? Let me guess, things like “they should have been on this earlier in the Spring/Summer!!” , “they knew many PI’s etc were going to return to the line. If they really wanted trained instructors, they would have figured out a way to get this done!”
Well, they are figuring out a way to get it done and the method complies with the UPA and offers some pilots a change of pace with a 90 hour credit month to boot. I’d much rather have them spooling up seniority list instructors in this manner than getting “boxed in” and trading advancement opportunities and new hire training for contract instructors etc. like other airlines have done.
My .02. Worth both pennies.
Well, they are figuring out a way to get it done and the method complies with the UPA and offers some pilots a change of pace with a 90 hour credit month to boot. I’d much rather have them spooling up seniority list instructors in this manner than getting “boxed in” and trading advancement opportunities and new hire training for contract instructors etc. like other airlines have done.
My .02. Worth both pennies.
#22
Look, I’m as skeptical as the next guy but come on! If the DENFTC management didn’t think outside of the box and did not offer this UPA compliant special assignment opportunity and in the Fall, we were not able to train new hires and upgrades due to lack of instructors, what would we be saying? Let me guess, things like “they should have been on this earlier in the Spring/Summer!!” , “they knew many PI’s etc were going to return to the line. If they really wanted trained instructors, they would have figured out a way to get this done!”
Well, they are figuring out a way to get it done and the method complies with the UPA and offers some pilots a change of pace with a 90 hour credit month to boot. I’d much rather have them spooling up seniority list instructors in this manner than getting “boxed in” and trading advancement opportunities and new hire training for contract instructors etc. like other airlines have done.
My .02. Worth both pennies.
Well, they are figuring out a way to get it done and the method complies with the UPA and offers some pilots a change of pace with a 90 hour credit month to boot. I’d much rather have them spooling up seniority list instructors in this manner than getting “boxed in” and trading advancement opportunities and new hire training for contract instructors etc. like other airlines have done.
My .02. Worth both pennies.
THIS
Training instructors is a chicken-and-egg problem. I’m glad there’s an effort to increase (or at least maintain) the current capabilities than permit additional shrinkage of the instructor cadre.
#23
I’m with everyone on “management should have been more proactive “ in getting PIs into the pipeline.
However, I think it’s great to have line qualified crews providing critique to new PIs. No faking it for them, and if they want to be a-holes, the no-jeopardy role for line crews will provide ample opportunity for feedback, critique, rumors, and ridicule.
I see this as a potential positive for line crews to shape the product at TK........
In theory
However, I think it’s great to have line qualified crews providing critique to new PIs. No faking it for them, and if they want to be a-holes, the no-jeopardy role for line crews will provide ample opportunity for feedback, critique, rumors, and ridicule.
I see this as a potential positive for line crews to shape the product at TK........
In theory
#24
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2009
Posts: 5,193
I’m with everyone on “management should have been more proactive “ in getting PIs into the pipeline.
However, I think it’s great to have line qualified crews providing critique to new PIs. No faking it for them, and if they want to be a-holes, the no-jeopardy role for line crews will provide ample opportunity for feedback, critique, rumors, and ridicule.
I see this as a potential positive for line crews to shape the product at TK........
In theory
However, I think it’s great to have line qualified crews providing critique to new PIs. No faking it for them, and if they want to be a-holes, the no-jeopardy role for line crews will provide ample opportunity for feedback, critique, rumors, and ridicule.
I see this as a potential positive for line crews to shape the product at TK........
In theory
#25
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Joined APC: Sep 2017
Position: Boeing voice activated systems and ACARS commander
Posts: 442
I’m with everyone on “management should have been more proactive “ in getting PIs into the pipeline.
However, I think it’s great to have line qualified crews providing critique to new PIs. No faking it for them, and if they want to be a-holes, the no-jeopardy role for line crews will provide ample opportunity for feedback, critique, rumors, and ridicule.
I see this as a potential positive for line crews to shape the product at TK........
In theory
However, I think it’s great to have line qualified crews providing critique to new PIs. No faking it for them, and if they want to be a-holes, the no-jeopardy role for line crews will provide ample opportunity for feedback, critique, rumors, and ridicule.
I see this as a potential positive for line crews to shape the product at TK........
In theory
#26
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That was never the point me or anyone was making. New hires can’t go to the 787 and 777 strictly because of seniority. There are 1500 pilots that have never had a chance to bid a WB yet.
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