Nailed it! I love the guys like SUX4U and WorstPilotEver, that try to belittle the junior guys. I used to say it's the "all about me" guys, but now i call them the greedy "All about the senior guys on fleet/seat" guys. I used to see the same guys beyotching about a one-day trip to Hawaii and back for 12 hours pay, that pops up. The most senior guy gets thinks it's going to go to SRM, because of no reserves, so he waits for it. Then a junior line holder does a straight pickup and this senior guy has the nerve to get all ****ed off. It was a 12 hour one-day for keeps sake - 12 hours! And this senior guy thinks it was his. Even had some of these guys calling the junior guy to ask why he picked it up, like it was his in the first place?! Same attitude like WorstPilotEver and SUX4U. Their monikers tell it like it is.

Then you have the guys that are commuters and can't SRM, and they want to be all high and mighty that those capable of getting them, are flight time *****s and greedy, etc.... Amazes me. They don't seem to get that's it's not only extra pay, but creates a better schedule for the person picking it up, especially for the reserve pilot, that gets a day or two restored to a better date(s). To each their own, but for those pilots thinking they can be brazen enough to denigrate another for their own gain, is appalling. I would like for any of these pilots to ever call me or speak to me in person about it. They would have a lovely reply!!

Oh brother! Would you please calm down and go back and read what I recently had to say on this matter and tell me if I really deserved to be singled out twice in your rant?

I made a point that all 50% trips don’t go 100%. I made a comment that I don’t like the lowest bidder auction that scheduling as been doing lately. Yes I do wish we all could tow the line with not accepting 50%, but that’s my opinion and it doesn’t matter to what works for another pilot.

I commented on working smarter and not harder. Finally I made a response regarding what reasons from this thread appear to be why we don’t have nothing but 100% pay and I also made a point about me getting a 100% trip due to waiting a few minutes all while being pretty junior in BES.

Yup totally belittling my fellow pilots. Perhaps if my screen name was BlessU, I wouldn’t have even been a blip on your belligerent radar. Get a grip man.

Actually I don’t really care if someone picks it up at 50%. In general my min for working days off is 100%. My point was if you wait odds are that it will go to 100%. I am on the senior side in my seat and could pick up 50% stuff all the time but prefer to wait for 2 reasons, I would rather make more to work on a day off and I would rather someone get the opportunity to get that 100% even if it’s not me.

Bless u.

Really?! Then why did you start this whole thread in the first place? ".....Just Saying" What a JA!

Plus in many cases before they go to 100 % they break them up into smaller day trips so they can then be given to reserves or other people legal for them.

This^^ . I like to pick up straight time with canned criteria trades and pickups to plump up my month. I got an unsigned scribbled nasty note in my vfile once. I wrote a nice reply... addressing it to the "f-----g coward who wrote this," inviting him to go have sex with himself. I hung it up in Flight Ops on the Alpa board. Never heard back; except from the Flight Office. :D

Calm down. Try some deep breathing or go grab a cold beverage under a tree.

I am curious as to what base get's the most PP. IAH has had a ton of 1-2 day trips built this week because of the weather. However they are gone within 2-3 minutes of hitting CCS for straight time :confused::eek:

I’d have to guess EWR 737 in the summer months. 737 in EWR is the best for variety of trips and ability to make money even if your fairly jr.

If you’re a UAL pilot you can access the SSC monthly report. It breaks out PPU/SRM by seat position. Two tables, one shows number of events the other number of days.

Found it! VERY telling. IAH pilots work for free! ORD EWR pilots wait for 100% add pay. That's what I am seeing.

They aren’t working for free. How many of the trips get traded for before it even got to the PPU stage?

So I'm flying for free on a 4 day that I picked up from another pilot who was trying to drop the trip? Pilot pool display shows 0/-4/-1/+1. He wasn't going to be able to drop it with those numbers even though there were at least 10 reserves each day and zero open pairings all four days.

Not at all EWR ORD have less coverage and more weather and ATC issues

Then leave IAH and bid ORD or EWR

Sluts rule!

Most jump their package for middle seat but cringe for 50% PP. You funny. Read the next contract.

Yeah I don't get it.....No wait yeah I do... IAH is SCAB heavy. They feel it's their duty, their "destiny" to work for free. It's like Darth Vader preaching to Luke Skywalker. Come to the dark side.. You don't know the power of the dark side.

Scabs do it for free, they feel they gotta throw a bone to the company since the company gave them a career that they didn't deserve.

The scabs are generally a greedy bunch who are more likely to wait for premium pay and they’re senior enough to get it. The 737 base in iah is twice the size of a base like ORD and there will therefore be a larger number of trips going out with no premium pay. Everything that goes against someone’s personal agenda around here isn’t due to scabs or some type of scab culture. People are either adding to their check or trading into a better trip.

Don’t rock the boat. Your facts don’t fit their agenda.

Not to worry; I'm sure they'll be complaining shortly that trip trading never works.

There was a 0% chance of me getting PP over those days just as there was a 0% chance of the guy whose trip I picked up being able to drop the trip because the company would never have positive coverage during the entire 4 days he wanted to drop.

So if I’m not senior enough to get 50/100% pay I shouldn’t pick anything up and just let other guys make extra money. Lol not gonna happen.

Picking up a trip at $300 an hour is working for free?? Let it go dude

I would love to hold my ground each and every time for 100% but it’s just not going to happen. Way too many times I’ve seen trips that could easily go 100% go for 50% or even straight time. Unless we get it hammered out that any PP is strictly 100%, no 50% or 75% then for better or worse people are going to do what works best for themselves when it comes to picking up flying on days off.

Many of the guys who preach only pick up 100 percent are full of it . I have been on the jumpseat with senior dudes who are moaning about guys picking up 50 %. I get it . However come the slow time of of this year which was DEC, Jan, Feb at least in EWR FO, I saw this dam dude now having smart pick ups in for 50 percent. So I call Bs . All relative to the time of year and how much PP is being dished out.

Sure in the summer when guys are getting 100 left and right , then the junior guy can roll the dice at waiting for 100.

Exactly. I’ve seen way too many out of base guys come in and take a trip at 50-75%, even straight time. Most in base guys seem to hold out for 100% on those days with no coverage. But it’s way too hit or miss to predict who’s gonna hold out and who’s gonna say 50% is perfect for my situation.

Waiting for 50 or 100%? Some of the most senior 777 guys in ord have criteria trades in everyday off. Since there is no progress made on our contract I have no idea why anyone is picking up any trip. The company must be laughing everyday.

The time some guys put into worrying about what other people do is comical, who gives a **** what someone wants to do with their schedule?

No progress? News to me. Do you have an official source email or posting you can cite?

This. But to answer your question; it’s the APC chapter of the Angry ex Wives Club.:D

One could begin by looking at the amount of their last retro check from Mother U. I think he has a valid point, rabid outlier though he apparently is.

Will a TA in late 2019, or late 2020 be progress? Will your retro check make up for two more years of weak work rules, vaca pay screwing, Reserve rules, training pay, rescheduling loopholes etc. etc. etc?

Last email I got said the lec's had been briefed and call them, I did didn't sound like significant progress. The one before that showed the areas still open, yes the bigger stuff. It was supposed to be done the end of 2018 if I remember and many on here seemed to think it would be done. April 9th I don't see it.

Pick up all you want at what % you would like, I just think I would rather start letting them know how we feel. But hey maybe that's just how I feel.

Since you seem to indicate there is progress do you have an official email or posting you can quote?

I think our contract is pretty damn good, along with most guys I work with. I’ll continue trying to do my job the best I can, a new contract with some tweeks and improvements will come. Maybe a retro check along with it. Don’t lose sight of the fact this is a pretty great job, enjoy it a little instead of letting that early 2000 UAL mindset be a constant chip on your shoulder.

I've been listening to your type of tripe for over 30 years. My point remains unchanged. Sadly, most pilots are so enamored with the fact that they have cool jobs that they willingly sell their services on the cheap. In my first decade, I was one of them. But my tenure and experiences have changed my tune. There is no chip on my shoulder, only lessons learned.

Adjusted for inflation, we are in arrears of our peers' earnings despite that fact that we no longer have a pension. That you and others feel that this is okay means nothing to me. Yes, it's a great job. That's precisely why I busted my a$$ to get it. But that doesn't mean that we should do it at a discount. Cool factor doesn't pay bills nor fund retirements. Tweaks won't cut it. Significant improvements will be a good start.

The current contract is loaded with bogus loopholes and concessionary gimmies. None of which were necessary and all of which were agreed to just to get a deal done in exchange for an acceptable hourly rate. We were negotiating in extremis. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to plug the loopholes when the opportunities arrive. Oh wait, one already did. We gave Smisek a pile of money while he trashed the airline simply to stop the Blue vs Black whip-sawing. Now, SK is trying to poop-chute your contract with more RJ flying and guys are willing to play nice as they speculate on their PS check 6 months in advance.

Carry on Marvins. And when we get that full retro check, I'll eat mine.

Let me re-state it for you.

Scabs feel they saved the airline. So, they are pretty happy to keep saving the airline over and over and over and over.

let it go?

NAH....I won't do that. Not til the last scab is gone.

Lots of scabs out there who won't run the APU for passenger and crew comfort. Lots of scabs wont use ACARS to check weather cuz it costs the company money. Plenty of scabs are so beholding they are always beholding.....It is what it is.

I’ve flown with plenty of people who were hired well after the strike, and from both of the previous companies, who do the same thing. Most of the scabs that I have flown with you would never know without looking at the list. I’ve been based in IAH for going on 15 years and having a certain date of hire has nothing to do with it. Some people are just like that.

Very well said Sir
Live and learn is something that people should accept

By about 25% measured from 2002 LUAL numbers.

Amen Mako !!

Sadly it passed due to the rightly or wrongly perceived whipsawing but it is what it is.

Nicely said Mako!