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If a trip opens up with 50%PP, it will go to 100% if no one picks it up. Just sayin.....

So what happened, you wanted something but someone else decided they’d fly it for 150%? :rolleyes:

True, but if crew companion shows a rsv wanting to pick it up at 1055/1100, might need to go for it.

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I love it when people berate others for picking up premium pay at less than 100pct. What they really are saying is junior people should allow trips to go to 100pct which of course means a senior person will pick up and the junior one has no chance. Give me a break. If someone wants to pick it up at 50pct then go for it! If it’s at 50pct and reserves are trying for it then it may be the only option as well—go for it. Often times it’s the only way someone who isn’t super senior to get a premium pay trip. So let’s not keep saying it helps the company etc etc. Whatvisnreally being said is that taking a trip at 50pct prevents more senior people from getting the 100pct payday.

True story

Not 100% true for some cases. I’ve seen trips sit at 50% for a good long while and then instead of being upped to 100% they will change the trip to another base using deadheads to make it work. Makes for a very easy new trip for whoever gets the new trip and those who were left wanting to see it go 100% in the original base are left with nothing.

I never pickup, but just curious how trips with PP are identified in open time? How do you know if it's 50%, 100%, or no PP at all?

Crew Companion shows a green money symbol and the % that the circle is filled is the percent.

For the life of me I can’t understand why everyone doesn’t use CC. It’s an amazing tool that ALPA got the company to buy for us. If everyone used it there would be MUCH less confusion with trading as everything there is transparent.

Maybe I just answered my own question lol.

Yes, you did.

Same reason some guys won’t fly SFO to DEN on a clear day unless they have a paper copy of the full OFP.

That, and ezccs, make life much easier.

fixed it for you.

exactly

In general PP trips are in the real-time window so seniority doesn’t really play a part, it’s who is fastest. My point is in general if you wait long enough it will become a 100%. I guess I value my time off at roughly 300$ an hour so won’t pick up 50% pay. If others want to that is up to them but they could be losing out.

Or better yet make all of those trips pay at 100% like Delta's greenslips. This auction system we have now is so typical of the Smisek era we are attempting to extricate ourselves from and needs to be changed.

Next contract either no premium or 100% premium, period.

I agree with everything you have to say here. The auction for lowest bidder really does suck.

Not true. If a more senior person has a criteria in there for PPU, the most senior person will be awarded the PPU in real time.

Did someone pick up a trip at 50% that you thought you should’ve had at 100%? :rolleyes:

Not true.

There was a BWI pairing yesterday that went to 50%, sat there for an hour, then went back to straight pay and eventually assigned to a reserve.

In my base this month I’ve seen more than one trip get picked up at no PP when there are zero reserves left. Not sure I’d use that strategy.

The “something is better than nothing” category.

Biff

I agree , would love to get 100 PP all the time but sorry senior guys got their smart pick ups so leaves my junior butt shiz out of luck ...

Or just stay at home/on the beach/on a mountain and enjoy your life with your kids/solitude/an ice-cold beverage while all these other guys chase a few extra dollars on their days off before we all die.

To each their own, I guess.

Yeah, or work smarter and not harder. Drop a 3 day or a 2 day trip and if something more productive or a PP trip pops open during those days you should have been working then grab it.

It’s listed on right hand column of Real time trades, you can also criteria search it on seniority trip trade window.

Ha I’ve heard that before, a guy in Houston was *****&ng that jr guys are picking up the trips before they hit 100%, I looked over and told him I pick up for straight time because I’ll never get the premium ones, and thanked him for holding out.....

This brings up another point.....is SR manning dead? Why would they want to go down the list in order making calls for which they have to pay a guaranteed 100% premium when they can just throw trips out to everyone and auction them off to the lowest bidder?? It's all a function of their level of desperation, I suppose...

You broke the code.

Which also begs the pattern bargaining question of the day, why do we allow that? 100% or straight pay, period.

Well apparently in this thread it’s junior guys scared senior guys will nab it for 100% if they wait and not accept 50%. Then some guys will work on their days off for straight pay as well, so little incentive for the company to post it right away to 100%.

On a side note, myself and the captain I just flew with waited around 30 minutes on 50% trip to jump to 100%. Both of us are far from being senior as well in our BES, so there’s that...

Yup SRM is dead until we negotiate it to 200%........

Do any other airlines have 200% trips?

I was called absurdly early this morning by scheduling. I didn’t answer but on the VM they said they were junior manning. I looked at the trip in open time and it showed 50%. There is no definition of junior manning in the contract that I could find. Did they really call unprompted at 4am to offer 50%??? I’m sure there are people on the SRM list that would have loved the early phone call. I have a long drive today pulling a camper and now I’m out 2 hours of sleep. Is this PDR worthy. I’m kinda ****ed.

We’re you in the SRM list ? And yeah I haven’t seen a SRM call for only 50 percent. Def weak sauce ... although pdr may not be worthy

20-H-5-c-(3). They can contact people not on the SRM list to try to cover a trip. This used to be called JRM at sUAL. The term was dropped though.

20-H-5 is titled Senior Manning. Senior Manning by definition is 100% add pay. This trip was 50%. I don’t see where they can contact me for a 50% add pay trip.

20-H-5-a
“The SRM process described in this section may only be applied to a lineholder premimium pay trip that has 100% add pay attached.”

What I am really concerned about is the company doesn’t want to offer SRM and are calling folks to try and get them to take 50% add pay. I personally don’t care if someone wants to pick up a 50% add pay trip. I don’t want 4am phone calls for it when there are plenty of people who would do it at 100% add pay. If they no one on the SRM list wants the trip and it is 100% add pay then they can call.

If you were called it’s 100%. They can place it in Open time with 50/75/100. But if they pick up the phone to use 20-H it pays 100% no matter what they have tagged it for in open time.

This happened to me once when I was a newhire, barely off IOE, one of the most junior guys in base. As I understand it, once they have exhausted the SRM list, they start with the junior line holder and start calling up the list to try to cover the trip. 20-I-9, it would have paid you +100% add pay.
What BES?

I agree. I have been called SRM for 100 percent , looked at CC and it wasn’t only listed as 50 , maybe that was your situation

ORD. I’m fine with it as long as they were calling for 100% add pay. I get they need to cover the trip. As long as they weren’t calling trying to sell 50% I’ll take the early wake up.

I believe you can opt out of early morning calls in your preferences.