fanaticalflyer

When you call in Fatigue mid-trip, is it mandatory to have to go to a hotel?
Can you request a DH home, in lieu of a hotel on the last day in the middle of a couple of legs? Or do they assume you are too fatigued to even ride on a flight?

LeeFXDWG

Well, DHD at the end of a FDP isn’t duty under 117 it just isn’t rest. That said, there are UPA limits to UPA duty periods with DHD at the end. That may drive the company to layover.

Too little info to get specific with you. PDR.alpa.org where your schedule and trip can be looked at.

APC225

I think of the difference between sick and fatigued. Sick, go home (if you can) until you’re better. Fatigued, they still own you for the duration of the trip so mid trip you will get a hotel and they’ll say something like “let us know when you’re rested.” Notify them once rested and they will catch you up to your trip or assign something else. That’s my understanding.

LeeFXDWG

All true. Again, best answer is to PDR the Hotline if you need time critical assistance. I don’t know what the trip looks like, the pilots Master schedule, and too many other “what’s “.

Don’t want anyone to post trips or schedule or employee number here. Wouldn’t look anyway since the system records my looking at things most other pilots can’t see.

Without a reason that ALPA would back me on, I won’t go there. PDR would be such a reason. I can’t speak for everyone on the Hotline but I always look at things from both a FAR117 and UPA perspective when analysis is done.

Everyone can feel free to ask advice on a public forum rather than use the resources your union provides. I’d really recommend the PDR route.

Give it a try. Just got a UTC removed for a pilot earlier today. And it was a sideways situation without doubt. He could have come here for guidance or do the PDR route.

Guarantee the PDR route was a better off answer because something got done rather than a poster expressing their opinion.

If I came across in a dismissive manner I apologize. This issue took 4 hours of my time that I don’t get back nor am I paid extra for. I do it to help my fellow pilots.

End game, pilot was taken care of. That’s my goal.

IF ITS TIME CRITICAL, file a PDR with the Hotline. We can work real time with the SSC, NOC, Contract Interpreters, etc.

Or, you can come on a public forum....

Be well

Lee

APC225

Forums are great. Lots of good info. But PDR is an awesome resource and I use it often. Hotline has failed only once, but the MEC Chair saw it and directed a fix. So even that worked.

rp2pilot

You speak truth.. had a schedule issue last month that was in the contractual gray area(at least for me). I tried to find the applicable CBA section on my own, but it's not always apparent which section applies to a specific situation. Filed a hotline PDR, got an email response in about 20 minutes, well before the issue became "an issue". Great ALPA resource and excellent source of information.

Regularguy

It’s been a while since I did this and the procedures have improved greatly, so PDR it as other have written and take this for what it is.

I called in fatigued after a long domestic day with delays and maintenance issues. We were laying over and had one day left in the trip. We were asked when we, the FO agreed with me about the fatigue call, would be available the next day? After sufficient rest at the layover hotel we caught up with the remainder of the trip.

Factors.

The layover was legal, just too short for us after the previously long day.

Our layover was in LAX and they had ready reserves to cover part of our trip, a morning LAX - SFO turn. We still would have called in fatigued even if this hadn’t been true.

We lost the pay for the turn.

Last leg was LAX to home base.

The moral is every situation is somewhat unique, so work it out between the contract and getting proper rest.