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Originally Posted by baseball
(Post 2635130)
I agree. But this is an issue of education and peer pressure......As pilots and as senior Captains we can do more to politely apply peer pressure so that the desired
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Originally Posted by Freight Dawg
(Post 2635608)
I love the world we live in now. Peer pressure, public shaming, etc. Oh, I need to " educate" you. Don't like what's going on, through a hissy fit and cry like a little...
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Originally Posted by full of luv
(Post 2635329)
Yes, and it doesn't take the Captain out of anything, he ultimately has the last say, but probably should have some justification for punting the proactive pilot in favor of the walked-up entitled one (and I'm generally senior enough to get the seat), but allowing people to reserve the JS allows for much more predictability in everyone's plans.
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Originally Posted by rp2pilot
(Post 2635083)
So, you have 4 guys all going to work.. who gets the jumpseat?
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There's a reason virtually all of our peer airlines (DL, AA, FDX, UPS, etc) all use a reservation system for the Jumpseat now. It's just better, period. AA went to it fairly recently and even the senior guys there say it's better then what they had before (seniority system), I commute on them often and thats the overwhelming sentiment. A lot less confusion and uncertainty at the gate and once its yours its yours, no risk of getting bumped at all. In fact their (AA) commuter policy states that if you are number 1 for the JS then all you need is that one flight. That's because it's confirmed seat, pretty nice huh? Anyway, perhaps a hybrid system could work here, such as seniority gets you the Jumpseat until 24hrs prior then at that point if its still open it becomes first come first serve reservation. That would allow senior guys to exercise seniority and everyone else to have some transparency and predictably in their commuting lives.
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Originally Posted by VnavPath
(Post 2636249)
There's a reason virtually all of our peer airlines (DL, AA, FDX, UPS, etc) all use a reservation system for the Jumpseat now. It's just better, period. AA went to it fairly recently and even the senior guys there say it's better then what they had before (seniority system), I commute on them often and thats the overwhelming sentiment. A lot less confusion and uncertainty at the gate and once its yours its yours, no risk of getting bumped at all. In fact their (AA) commuter policy states that if you are number 1 for the JS then all you need is that one flight. That's because it's confirmed seat, pretty nice huh? Anyway, perhaps a hybrid system could work here, such as seniority gets you the Jumpseat until 24hrs prior then at that point if its still open it becomes first come first serve reservation. That would allow senior guys to exercise seniority and everyone else to have some transparency and predictably in their commuting lives.
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Originally Posted by ron kent
(Post 2636281)
I say the most senior guy gets to “reserve” the jumpseat all the way up to pushback.😉
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Originally Posted by ron kent
(Post 2636281)
I say the most senior guy gets to “reserve” the jumpseat all the way up to pushback.😉
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Originally Posted by ron kent
(Post 2636281)
I say the most senior guy gets to “reserve” the jumpseat all the way up to pushback.😉
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Originally Posted by baseball
(Post 2636435)
If it’s reserved, how do we keep scabs from reserving it? I think reserving it could have some unintended consequences.
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Originally Posted by VnavPath
(Post 2636249)
AA went to it fairly recently and even the senior guys there say it's better then what they had before (seniority system).
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Originally Posted by baseball
(Post 2636435)
If it’s reserved, how do we keep scabs from reserving it? I think reserving it could have some unintended consequences.
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Originally Posted by sydney5316
(Post 2636447)
Really? A senior guy says it's better? I find that hard to believe.
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Originally Posted by Hilltopper89
(Post 2636454)
I showed up at a commute yesterday at Delta because it was ridiculously overbooked with tons of nonrevs and Jumpseat riders on us. There was a United guy there already....slick tie CA. I told him I didn’t even try to go to our gates because of the loads and came straight to Delta and he said, “Oh, I don’t commute on the airbus.” I asked him and he confirmed that he is LCAL. Didn’t seem to make sense since the only other option on that route is a 737, a less comfortable jumpseat with no room for your bags. Then I put 2 and 2 together and figured out why. I pulled out my list and he is on it. So yes, you LUAL guys are doing a great job with scabs...so much so that this guy won’t even attempt to ride with you. Hilarious.
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Originally Posted by Grumble
(Post 2636493)
Says a lot more about the Guppy fleet.
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Originally Posted by Hilltopper89
(Post 2636513)
I wouldn’t go that far. I know plenty of guys who hate scabs on both sides. But LUAL guys are notorious in their hatred.
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Originally Posted by Grumble
(Post 2636568)
Agree, however I’ve had more captains let them ride then have rejected them. Some very vocal scab haters ultimately allowed one to ride. Makes for an easy flight from my end. Stare straight ahead and checklist when told.
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In a previous life I was able to deny the JS to two EAL scabs. It can be done, but Captains need to make the effort to look at the list. Now as an FO, I will make it if the Captain doesn’t.
EA strikers earned more walking the line than I did as a Shorts F/O while gladly paying the strike assessment. I’d do it all over again if necessary. |
Originally Posted by SUX4U
(Post 2636444)
I would love to know how many of our captains have actually denied a scab the jumpseat over the past 5 years. I’m thinking scabs are likely riding trouble free 95% of the time.
I agree with this , I rode on the air bus with a scab few months back . Both of us on the jump seats . She listed mins prior to the flight and showed up . Wasn’t till nearly half way through the flight I realized she was most likely the scab I’ve been told about commuting out of my commute city. If I had to guess the pilots operating were unaware of her being a scab. |
Originally Posted by Grumble
(Post 2636568)
Agree, however I’ve had more captains let them ride then have rejected them. Some very vocal scab haters ultimately allowed one to ride. Makes for an easy flight from my end. Stare straight ahead and checklist when told.
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Originally Posted by syd111
(Post 2637311)
Yep, lots of talk not much action.
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If there is a seat in the cabin
If you can write a pass and a junior or regional can’t, why not let them take the jumpseat?
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