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Freight Dawg 07-15-2018 10:26 PM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2635130)
I agree. But this is an issue of education and peer pressure......As pilots and as senior Captains we can do more to politely apply peer pressure so that the desired

I love the world we live in now. Peer pressure, public shaming, etc. Oh, I need to " educate" you. Don't like what's going on, through a hissy fit and cry like a little...

Never mind....

bifff15 07-16-2018 03:58 AM


Originally Posted by Freight Dawg (Post 2635608)
I love the world we live in now. Peer pressure, public shaming, etc. Oh, I need to " educate" you. Don't like what's going on, through a hissy fit and cry like a little...

Never mind....

Sad but true...

757Driver 07-16-2018 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 2635329)
Yes, and it doesn't take the Captain out of anything, he ultimately has the last say, but probably should have some justification for punting the proactive pilot in favor of the walked-up entitled one (and I'm generally senior enough to get the seat), but allowing people to reserve the JS allows for much more predictability in everyone's plans.

Moot point. If it’s reserved, the more senior types won’t even bother showing up. Captain takes the one and only guy and that’s only if he bothers to show up.

Hopefully will never happen over here.

tunes 07-16-2018 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by rp2pilot (Post 2635083)
So, you have 4 guys all going to work.. who gets the jumpseat?



The one that reserved it


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VnavPath 07-16-2018 07:45 PM

There's a reason virtually all of our peer airlines (DL, AA, FDX, UPS, etc) all use a reservation system for the Jumpseat now. It's just better, period. AA went to it fairly recently and even the senior guys there say it's better then what they had before (seniority system), I commute on them often and thats the overwhelming sentiment. A lot less confusion and uncertainty at the gate and once its yours its yours, no risk of getting bumped at all. In fact their (AA) commuter policy states that if you are number 1 for the JS then all you need is that one flight. That's because it's confirmed seat, pretty nice huh? Anyway, perhaps a hybrid system could work here, such as seniority gets you the Jumpseat until 24hrs prior then at that point if its still open it becomes first come first serve reservation. That would allow senior guys to exercise seniority and everyone else to have some transparency and predictably in their commuting lives.

ron kent 07-16-2018 09:05 PM


Originally Posted by VnavPath (Post 2636249)
There's a reason virtually all of our peer airlines (DL, AA, FDX, UPS, etc) all use a reservation system for the Jumpseat now. It's just better, period. AA went to it fairly recently and even the senior guys there say it's better then what they had before (seniority system), I commute on them often and thats the overwhelming sentiment. A lot less confusion and uncertainty at the gate and once its yours its yours, no risk of getting bumped at all. In fact their (AA) commuter policy states that if you are number 1 for the JS then all you need is that one flight. That's because it's confirmed seat, pretty nice huh? Anyway, perhaps a hybrid system could work here, such as seniority gets you the Jumpseat until 24hrs prior then at that point if its still open it becomes first come first serve reservation. That would allow senior guys to exercise seniority and everyone else to have some transparency and predictably in their commuting lives.

I say the most senior guy gets to “reserve” the jumpseat all the way up to pushback.😉

guppie 07-16-2018 09:43 PM


Originally Posted by ron kent (Post 2636281)
I say the most senior guy gets to “reserve” the jumpseat all the way up to pushback.😉

Can I get an amen?! If the boarding door is open, so is the JS. :cool:

757Driver 07-17-2018 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by ron kent (Post 2636281)
I say the most senior guy gets to “reserve” the jumpseat all the way up to pushback.😉

Yup, agree. Yet another scheme to skip dues paying, IMO.

baseball 07-17-2018 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by ron kent (Post 2636281)
I say the most senior guy gets to “reserve” the jumpseat all the way up to pushback.😉

If it’s reserved, how do we keep scabs from reserving it? I think reserving it could have some unintended consequences.

SUX4U 07-17-2018 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2636435)
If it’s reserved, how do we keep scabs from reserving it? I think reserving it could have some unintended consequences.

I would love to know how many of our captains have actually denied a scab the jumpseat over the past 5 years. I’m thinking scabs are likely riding trouble free 95% of the time.

sydney5316 07-17-2018 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by VnavPath (Post 2636249)
AA went to it fairly recently and even the senior guys there say it's better then what they had before (seniority system).

Really? A senior guy says it's better? I find that hard to believe.

Hilltopper89 07-17-2018 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2636435)
If it’s reserved, how do we keep scabs from reserving it? I think reserving it could have some unintended consequences.

I showed up at a commute yesterday at Delta because it was ridiculously overbooked with tons of nonrevs and Jumpseat riders on us. There was a United guy there already....slick tie CA. I told him I didn’t even try to go to our gates because of the loads and came straight to Delta and he said, “Oh, I don’t commute on the airbus.” I asked him and he confirmed that he is LCAL. Didn’t seem to make sense since the only other option on that route is a 737, a less comfortable jumpseat with no room for your bags. Then I put 2 and 2 together and figured out why. I pulled out my list and he is on it. So yes, you LUAL guys are doing a great job with scabs...so much so that this guy won’t even attempt to ride with you. Hilarious.

757Driver 07-17-2018 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by sydney5316 (Post 2636447)
Really? A senior guy says it's better? I find that hard to believe.

Think he meant senior bottom 1/4 guys. :D

Grumble 07-17-2018 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by Hilltopper89 (Post 2636454)
I showed up at a commute yesterday at Delta because it was ridiculously overbooked with tons of nonrevs and Jumpseat riders on us. There was a United guy there already....slick tie CA. I told him I didn’t even try to go to our gates because of the loads and came straight to Delta and he said, “Oh, I don’t commute on the airbus.” I asked him and he confirmed that he is LCAL. Didn’t seem to make sense since the only other option on that route is a 737, a less comfortable jumpseat with no room for your bags. Then I put 2 and 2 together and figured out why. I pulled out my list and he is on it. So yes, you LUAL guys are doing a great job with scabs...so much so that this guy won’t even attempt to ride with you. Hilarious.

Says a lot more about the Guppy fleet.

Hilltopper89 07-17-2018 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2636493)
Says a lot more about the Guppy fleet.

I wouldn’t go that far. I know plenty of guys who hate scabs on both sides. But LUAL guys are notorious in their hatred.

Grumble 07-17-2018 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by Hilltopper89 (Post 2636513)
I wouldn’t go that far. I know plenty of guys who hate scabs on both sides. But LUAL guys are notorious in their hatred.

Agree, however I’ve had more captains let them ride then have rejected them. Some very vocal scab haters ultimately allowed one to ride. Makes for an easy flight from my end. Stare straight ahead and checklist when told.

Hilltopper89 07-17-2018 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2636568)
Agree, however I’ve had more captains let them ride then have rejected them. Some very vocal scab haters ultimately allowed one to ride. Makes for an easy flight from my end. Stare straight ahead and checklist when told.

I flew with an Eastern scab last month. I made a point of reading the EAL chapter in Flying the Line Vol 2 in front of him at altitude.

oldmako 07-17-2018 10:43 AM

In a previous life I was able to deny the JS to two EAL scabs. It can be done, but Captains need to make the effort to look at the list. Now as an FO, I will make it if the Captain doesn’t.

EA strikers earned more walking the line than I did as a Shorts F/O while gladly paying the strike assessment. I’d do it all over again if necessary.

rightside02 07-18-2018 04:08 AM


Originally Posted by SUX4U (Post 2636444)
I would love to know how many of our captains have actually denied a scab the jumpseat over the past 5 years. I’m thinking scabs are likely riding trouble free 95% of the time.


I agree with this , I rode on the air bus with a scab few months back . Both of us on the jump seats . She listed mins prior to the flight and showed up . Wasn’t till nearly half way through the flight I realized she was most likely the scab I’ve been told about commuting out of my commute city.

If I had to guess the pilots operating were unaware of her being a scab.

syd111 07-18-2018 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2636568)
Agree, however I’ve had more captains let them ride then have rejected them. Some very vocal scab haters ultimately allowed one to ride. Makes for an easy flight from my end. Stare straight ahead and checklist when told.

Yep, lots of talk not much action.

Guppydriver95 07-27-2018 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by syd111 (Post 2637311)
Yep, lots of talk not much action.

Had the pleasure of denying one last week. It happens.

Compfrk1 08-24-2018 08:12 AM

If there is a seat in the cabin
 
If you can write a pass and a junior or regional can’t, why not let them take the jumpseat?


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