For Real?
07-06-2018, 05:08 AM
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For Real?
Giving up a JS to some junior puke because he needs to get to work?? 
A stipend for SFO??
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WOW. Where do peeps come up with this stuff? Obviously ain't happening. When's the next vacancy?
A stipend for SFO??
:WOW. Where do peeps come up with this stuff? Obviously ain't happening. When's the next vacancy?
07-06-2018, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by guppie
Giving up a JS to some junior puke because he needs to get to work??
WOW. Where do peeps come up with this stuff? Obviously ain't happening. When's the next vacancy?
WOW. Where do peeps come up with this stuff? Obviously ain't happening. When's the next vacancy?
Bid in 3.... 2.... 1....
07-06-2018, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by guppie
Giving up a JS to some junior puke because he needs to get to work??
A stipend for SFO??:
WOW. Where do peeps come up with this stuff? Obviously ain't happening. When's the next vacancy?
A stipend for SFO??
:WOW. Where do peeps come up with this stuff? Obviously ain't happening. When's the next vacancy?
"some junior puke"????? FOR REAL??? Thats how you look at your fellow pilots? its nice to know that you are so much better than someone junior to you... just call them scum! jeeeezz!
07-06-2018, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by guppie
Giving up a JS to some junior puke because he needs to get to work??
A stipend for SFO??:
WOW. Where do peeps come up with this stuff? Obviously ain't happening. When's the next vacancy?
A stipend for SFO??
:WOW. Where do peeps come up with this stuff? Obviously ain't happening. When's the next vacancy?
From my far away junior puke perch, it's actually worse than that. It's not "giving up the jumpseat". Its the Captain assigning the jumpseat to a specific pilot based upon his belief that a guys need to get to work outweighs whatever other reason another pilot may have for requesting the seat.
Absolutely, the JS belongs to the Captain. But adding a litmus test like this to see who gets it is nonsense. It will take about ten minutes before every request to ride will sound like this, "Hi Captain, this is my last shot to get to Houston for work. May I please ride your jumpseat?"
What's the next step? "OK, well I'll need to see your trip pairing because the other guy is going to work as well" Soon everyone will be going to work, their wedding or funeral and it will be the Captains job to determine merit and perceived rank. I'd guess that there are only a handful of guys out there who would like to add that responsibility to their workload.
A pilot of any seniority who voluntarily offers up his shot at the JS so that another guy can get to work is a nice guy and should be commended, especially if he is the more senior party. But the Captain assigning him to do so and abrogating seniority is out of bounds.
WRT to GUM, I don't know if the union decided that GUM pilots should get an extra stipend and then bargained for it, or the company offered it up out of need. I suspect that arrangement was in place prior to the merger, but I don't know. It seems like a fair and reasonable deal given the isolation and costs involved in living there. The SFO guys opining for the same are smoking weed.
And, "junior puke" is a term of endearment. Kind of like "junior maggot". They've been around for decades as well and are part of our wonderful hazing process.
Man, I guess that some of us really aren't in Kansas anymore.
07-06-2018, 06:33 AM
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Everyone of us was a junior puke at the beginning of our career. I got bumped out of the jumpseat many times by more senior guys, but I never whined that my reason for travelling was any more important than his. We have a "prudent pilot" policy here at United; if you choose to live out of base, plan your two flights accordingly and call the crew desk if you don't get on the second flight. Don't whine like a little [jet engine] if you get bumped and want to abrogate seniority.
Last edited by vagabond; 07-06-2018 at 06:39 AM. Reason: go easy on the profanity
07-06-2018, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by oldmako
From my far away junior puke perch, it's actually worse than that. It's not "giving up the jumpseat". Its the Captain assigning the jumpseat to a specific pilot based upon his belief that a guys need to get to work outweighs whatever other reason another pilot may have for requesting the seat.
Absolutely, the JS belongs to the Captain. But adding a litmus test like this to see who gets it is nonsense. It will take about ten minutes before every request to ride will sound like this, "Hi Captain, this is my last shot to get to Houston for work. May I please ride your jumpseat?"
What's the next step? "OK, well I'll need to see your trip pairing because the other guy is going to work as well" Soon everyone will be going to work, their wedding or funeral and it will be the Captains job to determine merit and perceived rank. I'd guess that there are only a handful of guys out there who would like to add that responsibility to their workload.
A pilot of any seniority who voluntarily offers up his shot at the JS so that another guy can get to work is a nice guy and should be commended, especially if he is the more senior party. But the Captain assigning him to do so and abrogating seniority is out of bounds.
WRT to GUM, I don't know if the union decided that GUM pilots should get an extra stipend and then bargained for it, or the company offered it up out of need. I suspect that arrangement was in place prior to the merger, but I don't know. It seems like a fair and reasonable deal given the isolation and costs involved in living there. The SFO guys opining for the same are smoking weed.
And, "junior puke" is a term of endearment. Kind of like "junior maggot". They've been around for decades as well and are part of our wonderful hazing process.
Man, I guess that some of us really aren't in Kansas anymore.
Absolutely, the JS belongs to the Captain. But adding a litmus test like this to see who gets it is nonsense. It will take about ten minutes before every request to ride will sound like this, "Hi Captain, this is my last shot to get to Houston for work. May I please ride your jumpseat?"
What's the next step? "OK, well I'll need to see your trip pairing because the other guy is going to work as well" Soon everyone will be going to work, their wedding or funeral and it will be the Captains job to determine merit and perceived rank. I'd guess that there are only a handful of guys out there who would like to add that responsibility to their workload.
A pilot of any seniority who voluntarily offers up his shot at the JS so that another guy can get to work is a nice guy and should be commended, especially if he is the more senior party. But the Captain assigning him to do so and abrogating seniority is out of bounds.
WRT to GUM, I don't know if the union decided that GUM pilots should get an extra stipend and then bargained for it, or the company offered it up out of need. I suspect that arrangement was in place prior to the merger, but I don't know. It seems like a fair and reasonable deal given the isolation and costs involved in living there. The SFO guys opining for the same are smoking weed.
And, "junior puke" is a term of endearment. Kind of like "junior maggot". They've been around for decades as well and are part of our wonderful hazing process.
Man, I guess that some of us really aren't in Kansas anymore.
Couldnt agree more. The 2nd jumpseat thread got a little sideways. We don't want to go down the rabbit hole of determining "need" for the jumpseat. This isn't atlas shrugged. Its a seniority thing.
Regarding GUM, that was in place when I got here. I imagine it was a way to get folks to bid it and keep it staffed. I don't imagine CAL getting as many pilot applications if all the newhires knew they were gonna end up on an island in the south Pacific. Who knows?! Certainly Guam is not a commutable base by any stretch of the imagination and that probably drove the decision to offer up a stipend.
