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Old 07-11-2018, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BMEP100 View Post
Darn that seniority! It's wasted on those who have paid their way.
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Just to make it clear to me....

You're saying that the reason to keep the system is because people before have had to deal with it?
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Old 07-11-2018, 06:02 PM
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Just to make it clear to me....

You're saying that the reason to keep the system is because people before have had to deal with it?
Deltas Jumpseat reservation system is a joke. People don’t show up and/or misconnect leaving it open as the aircraft departs with its Jumpseat empty. Only guys in here applauding this system are obviously deep on the south end of our list and want immediate gratification.

Of course when they finally do get some seniority you’ll hear all about how they paid their dues and how it sucks that just anyone can reserve the Jumpseat.

Jumpseat by seniority only. Delta can keep their reinvented wheel while we continue to do it properly.
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:13 AM
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Deltas Jumpseat reservation system is a joke. People don’t show up and/or misconnect leaving it open as the aircraft departs with its Jumpseat empty. Only guys in here applauding this system are obviously deep on the south end of our list and want immediate gratification.

Of course when they finally do get some seniority you’ll hear all about how they paid their dues and how it sucks that just anyone can reserve the Jumpseat.

Jumpseat by seniority only. Delta can keep their reinvented wheel while we continue to do it properly.
You seriously think a DAL Captain would let a jumpseat go empty because the place holder no showed? Sorry other guy, but this seat is reserved, even if he didn’t show up. Really?

Everyone at UAL wants us to be Delta... contract, profit sharing, profitability, Airbus orders, etc. Right up until they don’t. It sucked for me it must suck for you!

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Old 07-12-2018, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 757Driver View Post
Deltas Jumpseat reservation system is a joke. People don’t show up and/or misconnect leaving it open as the aircraft departs with its Jumpseat empty. Only guys in here applauding this system are obviously deep on the south end of our list and want immediate gratification.

Of course when they finally do get some seniority you’ll hear all about how they paid their dues and how it sucks that just anyone can reserve the Jumpseat.

Jumpseat by seniority only. Delta can keep their reinvented wheel while we continue to do it properly.
Properly? How about a junior guy getting a SC for the next day, reserving the JS for a completely full flight (no other JS'ers listed), leave for the airport at 5am for the first flight up to EWR, still no JS'ers listed... 5 minutes prior to walking down the jetbridge a senior pilot casually walks up to the gate and simply says "sorry, gotta take it, good luck." You're left scrambling, and running to Delta (as usual) to get to work. Is that proper? Giving no notice, just showing up and leaving someone to hang who thought they'd be getting on the JS? Happened several times actually.

Sure, seniority and all. I get it. But if we're going to argue what's proper, why don't you reserve the JS when you know you're going to try for that flight vs. walking up at the last minute.

I'm now at a place that allows JS reservations on a first come, first served basis 21 days out for a flight. No stress. I book when I know I need to get on that flight. Commuting is easy now.
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I’m glad someone started this conversation. I always thought pretty much everyone operated the way UAL and Continental did in regards to the j/s. I would be in favor or changing it just to stop the senior scabs showing up at last minute without listing.
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble View Post
You seriously think a DAL Captain would let a jumpseat go empty because the place holder no showed? Sorry other guy, but this seat is reserved, even if he didn’t show up. Really?

Everyone at UAL wants us to be Delta... contract, profit sharing, profitability, Airbus orders, etc. Right up until they don’t. It sucked for me it must suck for you!

“No one bought my beer as a new hire, why should I?”
Yes I heard that MANY times in EWR.
Not at all what I'm saying Grumble. I'm talking about guys like you or me who see that the Jumpseat is previously reserved and don't bother showing up because its RESERVED. Said reservee no shows, (and my buddies at DAL says this happens often), and the Jumpseat goes out empty.

No one bought me anything at CAL when I was new yet I continue to buy for both 1/2 wingers and non ones. Not looking for accolades but know your audience.

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Originally Posted by 757Driver View Post
Deltas Jumpseat reservation system is a joke. People don’t show up and/or misconnect leaving it open as the aircraft departs with its Jumpseat empty. Only guys in here applauding this system are obviously deep on the south end of our list and want immediate gratification.

Of course when they finally do get some seniority you’ll hear all about how they paid their dues and how it sucks that just anyone can reserve the Jumpseat.

Jumpseat by seniority only. Delta can keep their reinvented wheel while we continue to do it properly.
weird, i don't know a single person here that wants to get rid of the way our JS system works.....we certainly don't want to go to the way United's is.
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by coryk View Post
Properly? How about a junior guy getting a SC for the next day, reserving the JS for a completely full flight (no other JS'ers listed), leave for the airport at 5am for the first flight up to EWR, still no JS'ers listed... 5 minutes prior to walking down the jetbridge a senior pilot casually walks up to the gate and simply says "sorry, gotta take it, good luck." You're left scrambling, and running to Delta (as usual) to get to work. Is that proper? Giving no notice, just showing up and leaving someone to hang who thought they'd be getting on the JS? Happened several times actually.

Sure, seniority and all. I get it. But if we're going to argue what's proper, why don't you reserve the JS when you know you're going to try for that flight vs. walking up at the last minute.

I'm now at a place that allows JS reservations on a first come, first served basis 21 days out for a flight. No stress. I book when I know I need to get on that flight. Commuting is easy now.
Completely agree with you about listing. No-showing at the last minute is lame, but again, sh!t happens. Your inbound flight was late and you missed your original flight perhaps? The reservation system works and guys mostly know who and when the seat will be occupied. Reserving it is a fastest fingers, non-seniority honoring lousy way of doing it. I don't commute and still think its wrong.
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Originally Posted by tunes View Post
weird, i don't know a single person here that wants to get rid of the way our JS system works.....we certainly don't want to go to the way United's is.
Strangely almost every Delta guy I know says the polar opposite. Guessing you're within the bottom third of the seniority list?
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Strangely almost every Delta guy I know says the polar opposite. Guessing you're within the bottom third of the seniority list?
There’s a simple fix for that. If you no show a Fedex jumpseat once you get warned, twice and you’re banned (as an offline guy, not sure about their own).
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