United Airlines September Job Fair
04-07-2019, 06:16 AM
#693
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Originally Posted by Rostov
My long winded point is the system is designed for attempting to weed out of a mountain of applicants (there still are plenty no matter what pilot shortage you believe in).
I would tend to think that in a pilot shortage - pilots will find work?? Otherwise, planes won't fly themselves.
04-07-2019, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald
Maybe, but if you want the job, you have to play the game.
Some of us guys with actual experience are sick of hearing that horse $hit...so....don’t.
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04-07-2019, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by TripleSpool
Maybe integrity in hiring should be the new Golden Rule because what we have now is a big sham.
The goal should really be to rebuild the profession. It's still not recovered from the strikes/scabs, and the after effects of 9-11 and the lost decade.
If they want to encourage investment in the profession to have a pool of well qualified pilots to choose from then maybe integrity would be a strong beacon that attracts pilots and potential pilots. No one wants to spend 75K on their career and see their career job being given to a lesser qualified candidate.
04-07-2019, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by baseball
I don't think integrity in hiring practices is what they want. While I agree with you, the power that be seem content let HR do it's thing. Reverse discrimination, whatever you want to call it is still hurtful to the profession.
Before I left for another job, I was a hiring manager for at&t. We were directed who to interview based on how ranked the applicants. The majority of an applicant’s ranking pertained to how they answered the demographic questions. I was once hiring an assistant store manager and had to go through ten applicants before I found one who had management and sales experience. So it was a waste of time filtering through applicants who were ranked high because of their demographics, but had no management or sales experience.
04-07-2019, 07:10 AM
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Didn't mean to divert the discussion away from the main topic of 'Job Expo' but I strongly felt that something had to be said and effectively changed with these hiring practices. United is by no means alone in this. Those on the inside should gather the courage to change some aspects of these flawed hiring practices (but only after probation:-)
04-07-2019, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ItnStln
It’s not reverse discrimination, it’s discrimination. Discriminating against a white person is the same as discriminating against a person of any other race.
Before I left for another job, I was a hiring manager for at&t. We were directed who to interview based on how ranked the applicants. The majority of an applicant’s ranking pertained to how they answered the demographic questions. I was once hiring an assistant store manager and had to go through ten applicants before I found one who had management and sales experience. So it was a waste of time filtering through applicants who were ranked high because of their demographics, but had no management or sales experience.
Before I left for another job, I was a hiring manager for at&t. We were directed who to interview based on how ranked the applicants. The majority of an applicant’s ranking pertained to how they answered the demographic questions. I was once hiring an assistant store manager and had to go through ten applicants before I found one who had management and sales experience. So it was a waste of time filtering through applicants who were ranked high because of their demographics, but had no management or sales experience.
- Race, ethnicity, and gender questions should also be taken off the app. I know the option to 'not disclose' is there but we all know that it is part of the 'conjured algorithm'.
Sometimes in an effort to become the most inclusive and diverse company (mostly for marketing purposes) a company will end up hiring far less experienced candidates over the more qualified ones. This is why my suggestions wouldn't work at a place like United because it would not allow for discrmination of any kind. I'm sure someone will misconstrue my point...
04-07-2019, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Learflyer
Some of us guys with actual experience are sick of hearing that horse $hit...so....don’t.
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