I don’t have any copies but I know for a fact the word “bankruptcy” was NEVER used except in internal (company/ALPA) communications. The IAH based scab contingent was instrumental in ramming through that POS contract.

Joe, at the EWR roadshow the ALPA lawyer said passing the contract wouldn’t guarantee staying out of BK, but not passing C ‘05 would make BK likely. Much as we’d like to put it on IAH scabs, they were far from alone in pushing the contract. It was being pushed by our counsel from ALPAN as well.

I was at that roadshow and I still call BS. If it was so imminent, why was it NEVER mentioned by ANYONE else- especially in the financial community? The previous imminent bankruptcy, when Bethune took over, was splashed all over every newspaper and business magazine for weeks and months.

Without the IAH scab reps and Panarello, this thing would have had a much harder time coming to fruition. Since GUM and CLE, as well as the FI’s, usually voted in lockstep with the IAH scab contingent- it was game over.

I agree Seeking Alpha is not a good source for objective information, but a Z-Score is quite objective:

http://www.iosrjournals.org/iosr-jbm...1910068087.pdf

Pretty much agree with your assessment, but a potential BK was mentioned by our ALPA-N counsel who, as you probably remember, was pushing the concessions hard.

I believe the National attorney was Ken Cooper. He was buddies with Stivila and they vacationed together too on a cruise during negotiations.

By the way it wasn’t just the scabs. Randy Newman EWR FO rep voted for and was selling that POS too. FYI don’t forget Stivila ave Muir both on NC and both NC Chairmam during that POS contract negotiation cycle. Both picked by Fred to work for him and negotiate against ALPA. Both in flight ops management today and Rick is just below Howard. After POS consessionary contract passed and Ken Cooper’s BS was exposed he retired from ALPA. He was a very weak negotiating attorney.

Jackson Martin did just as much, if not more, damage than those two *****s when he went to work for Abbott too.

Well he’s back on the line, Howard fired him. Not the same with the other two.

I heard he is just trying to keep his head down, complete douchebag.

I’d rather have our contract than their representation.

Not one of those jerkoffs should be allowed in or around ANYTHING union.

They should both be fired from management. Let them both fly the line like Jackson.

I would love to watch them have to slink around like Martin.

He’s hiding in LA on the 756 fleet. Pretty sure 99% of the guys in the right seat are former L-UAL and have no idea as to the crimes he’s committed.

That’s too bad, if they did no one would talk to him.

Its a small fleet in LAX. Under 60 in each seat. Spread the word.

I believe it was actually Mike Abrams. Pat Burke, former IACP President/ALPA MEC Chairman (he transitioned CAL into ALPA), stood up and said while he had tremendous respect for Mike, he disagreed with his assessment. Point being, it wasn't just CALALPA and NC connected players who were pushing C '05.

I used to fly with Pat Burke a lot back then, to say he “disagreed” is an understatement. I think the word “disgrace” would better describe his feelings toward that POS contract....as well as all the people involved in writing it.

As you probably recall, Pat was more diplomatic at the Road Show. He still got his point across.

The WB Captains took the biggest hit in C05. The loss of trip drop with pay for vacation alone was huge. The former union leaders still on the property sent out a joint letter opposing C05.

I’m fairly sure it was Ken Cooper he was the ALPA negotiator assigned to our MEC and was buddy buddy with Stivila.

Mike Abraham ALPA’s General Counsel and wildly referred to the Scope Pope, ALPA’s Scope Guro.

You want sick? I'm such a pack rat and the whole period was so contentious, I've still got the notes and handouts from the meeting readily accessible. It was Michael E Abram, who was from an outside law firm, not ALPA as I had said. However, it wasn't Ken Cooper, either, not that any of this matters.

I remember the letter, it was excellent. Pat Burke is one of the good guys, was sorry to see him go.