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So back to the OP, after reading a bunch of posts from guys who lived it, wouldn't it be GREAT to go back to all the CAL BS? :mad: Not from this pilots perspective.
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Originally Posted by oldmako
(Post 2641013)
So back to the OP, after reading a bunch of posts from guys who lived it, wouldn't it be GREAT to go back to all the CAL BS? :mad: Not from this pilots perspective.
Many thanks for the education guys. |
I'll drink to that.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...o_-i-5zDPJxASA Actually, I'll drink to just about anything. But that's a great start. |
And lest we not forget, there was a clause in the pilot's TA that said if any of the other employee groups voted down their concessionary agreement, then the pilots would not be subject to the terms of our agreement. Well the FA's were the ONLY ONES who had the balls to say NO on their contract! But yet that POS panerello (scab mec chair) squandered any leverage we had left and over rode that clause and the rest is history. NONE of those people who were involved in that contract should ever be allowed to get near another union position. EVER. Many of those that negotiated and pushed that deal were not scabs, but I maintain, they did as much or more long term damage. Wouldn't p@#$ on 'em if they were on fire. Many of those names are well known on the CAL side.
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Originally Posted by doober
(Post 2641042)
And lest we not forget, there was a clause in the pilot's TA that said if any of the other employee groups voted down their concessionary agreement, then the pilots would not be subject to the terms of our agreement. Well the FA's were the ONLY ONES who had the balls to say NO on their contract! But yet that POS panerello (scab mec chair) squandered any leverage we had left and over rode that clause and the rest is history. NONE of those people who were involved in that contract should ever be allowed to get near another union position. EVER. Many of those that negotiated and pushed that deal were not scabs, but I maintain, they did as much or more long term damage. Wouldn't p@#$ on 'em if they were on fire. Many of those names are well known on the CAL side.
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Originally Posted by JoePatroni
(Post 2641162)
Agree 1000%. JM, TS, RM, and SP can all rot in hell too.
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
(Post 2641382)
You forgot Bill Karnes and who's SP?
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Joe,
Since you mentioned the 10k .... Does anyone have a copy of that thing...I remember scab captains waving it in my face... It may not have used the bankruptcy word but it was pretty specific about the "future without concessions" All total BS posturing in my opinion... and did not sway my "NO" vote... |
Originally Posted by JoePatroni
(Post 2639972)
No one but ALPA EVER mentioned the word "bankruptcy"....no one. That was a fear balloon successfully floated to speed up the process. The guys who were negotiating were not interested in snap backs, wage restoration, coach deadhead, etc because it didn't affect the majority of those greedy DB's because they were all short timers. The most important thing for them was gettting it done BEFORE they retired and we all paid for it.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/224...ng-with-united |
Originally Posted by Sunvox
(Post 2641676)
I admit I'm not sure what time period you are talking about, but if it was 2008 objective measures indicated bankruptcy was a possibility for CAL:
https://seekingalpha.com/article/224...ng-with-united |
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