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Originally Posted by RomeoHotel
(Post 2641428)
Joe,
Since you mentioned the 10k .... Does anyone have a copy of that thing...I remember scab captains waving it in my face... It may not have used the bankruptcy word but it was pretty specific about the "future without concessions" All total BS posturing in my opinion... and did not sway my "NO" vote... |
Originally Posted by JoePatroni
(Post 2641848)
I don’t have any copies but I know for a fact the word “bankruptcy” was NEVER used except in internal (company/ALPA) communications. The IAH based scab contingent was instrumental in ramming through that POS contract.
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Originally Posted by XHooker
(Post 2641859)
Joe, at the EWR roadshow the ALPA lawyer said passing the contract wouldn’t guarantee staying out of BK, but not passing C ‘05 would make BK likely. Much as we’d like to put it on IAH scabs, they were far from alone in pushing the contract. It was being pushed by our counsel from ALPAN as well.
Without the IAH scab reps and Panarello, this thing would have had a much harder time coming to fruition. Since GUM and CLE, as well as the FI’s, usually voted in lockstep with the IAH scab contingent- it was game over. |
Originally Posted by intrepidcv11
(Post 2641729)
No we are talking 2004-05. I always consult seeking alpha for ‘objective measures’ on a company. :rolleyes:
http://www.iosrjournals.org/iosr-jbm...1910068087.pdf |
Originally Posted by JoePatroni
(Post 2641915)
I was at that roadshow and I still call BS. If it was so imminent, why was it NEVER mentioned by ANYONE else- especially in the financial community? The previous imminent bankruptcy, when Bethune took over, was splashed all over every newspaper and business magazine for weeks and months.
Without the IAH scab reps and Panarello, this thing would have had a much harder time coming to fruition. Since GUM and CLE, as well as the FI’s, usually voted in lockstep with the IAH scab contingent- it was game over. |
Originally Posted by XHooker
(Post 2641859)
Joe, at the EWR roadshow the ALPA lawyer said passing the contract wouldn’t guarantee staying out of BK, but not passing C ‘05 would make BK likely. Much as we’d like to put it on IAH scabs, they were far from alone in pushing the contract. It was being pushed by our counsel from ALPAN as well.
By the way it wasn’t just the scabs. Randy Newman EWR FO rep voted for and was selling that POS too. FYI don’t forget Stivila ave Muir both on NC and both NC Chairmam during that POS contract negotiation cycle. Both picked by Fred to work for him and negotiate against ALPA. Both in flight ops management today and Rick is just below Howard. After POS consessionary contract passed and Ken Cooper’s BS was exposed he retired from ALPA. He was a very weak negotiating attorney. |
Originally Posted by Boeing Aviator
(Post 2642144)
I believe the National attorney was Ken Cooper. He was buddies with Stivila and they vacationed together too on a cruise during negotiations.
By the way it wasn’t just the scabs. Randy Newman EWR FO rep voted for and was selling that POS too. FYI don’t forget Stivila ave Muir both on NC and both NC Chairmam during that POS contract negotiation cycle. Both picked by Fred to work for him and negotiate against ALPA. Both in flight ops management today and Rick is just below Howard. After POS consessionary contract passed and Ken Cooper’s BS was exposed he retired from ALPA. He was a very weak negotiating attorney. |
Originally Posted by JoePatroni
(Post 2642217)
Jackson Martin did just as much, if not more, damage than those two *****s when he went to work for Abbott too.
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Originally Posted by Boeing Aviator
(Post 2642367)
Well he’s back on the line, Howard fired him. Not the same with the other two.
I heard he is just trying to keep his head down, complete douchebag. |
I’d rather have our contract than their representation.
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