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Old 08-28-2018 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
It’s all about money. They need to get you in and out flying the line quickly and cheaply. While a mil back ground is a proven quantity... getting recurrent and back up to speed is a huge variable from one pilot to another. That’s a big cost. Compound that by getting recurrent in a new airplane in a completely different operating environment with the costs involved and you can start to understand their hesitancy. It’s not that they don’t want you, but they want you ready to go.

It’s just the way it is. You can ***** about it, or you can get cracking.
Meanwhile, the 1800 hr cfi's hit the ground running out of training.
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Old 08-28-2018 | 12:07 PM
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As a guy who works for a regional which recruits pilots who are out of currency.. Aka who've not flown in years.. I can fully understand why they want you to go elsewhere to get current. Years outside the cockpit, plus having never worked in a 121 environment can mean a lengthy training footprint and or washing out. If you can pick anyone you want to hire, you don't pick a guy who's likely going to take more training.

My company has outstanding training, but I can tell you first hand - as a LCA, we spend many hours on folks who haven't flown in years. Most Military guys come here, fly for a year or two then get picked up.

Just remember you have folks with 10,000+ hours and Impressive resumes who are also at these companies and want that job. So I'd keep it to yourself that you think getting current is all you should have to do to get the job, if that's how you feel.
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Old 08-28-2018 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by J1180
As a guy who works for a regional which recruits pilots who are out of currency.. Aka who've not flown in years.. I can fully understand why they want you to go elsewhere to get current. Years outside the cockpit, plus having never worked in a 121 environment can mean a lengthy training footprint and or washing out. If you can pick anyone you want to hire, you don't pick a guy who's likely going to take more training.

My company has outstanding training, but I can tell you first hand - as a LCA, we spend many hours on folks who haven't flown in years. Most Military guys come here, fly for a year or two then get picked up.

Just remember you have folks with 10,000+ hours and Impressive resumes who are also at these companies and want that job. So I'd keep it to yourself that you think getting current is all you should have to do to get the job, if that's how you feel.
I'm pointing out the hypocrisy. The majors had furloughed pilots out for years if not over a decade. Some flew and some did not. Maybe for some it was more challenging but, they made it through the training footprint. Again, there is a difference between someone who has been out of the cockpit for 10-15 yrs vs 1-2. I fully understand the risk undertaken by hiring someone who's been out for an extended time, but a year or two?

What makes the training at the regional level stand out compared to the majors? As described above, the majors have experience in training pilots lacking currency. Speaking of training, do the majors or the regionals have the higher washout rate?

Oh, and thanks for making my point in regards to hiring 1800 hr CFIs.
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Old 08-28-2018 | 01:19 PM
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I'm pointing out the hypocrisy. The majors had furloughed pilots out for years if not over a decade. Some flew and some did not. Maybe for some it was more challenging but, they made it through the training footprint. Again, there is a difference between someone who has been out of the cockpit for 10-15 yrs vs 1-2. I fully understand the risk undertaken by hiring someone who's been out for an extended time, but a year or two?

What makes the training at the regional level stand out compared to the majors? As described above, the majors have experience in training pilots lacking currency. Speaking of training, do the majors or the regionals have the higher washout rate?

Oh, and thanks for making my point in regards to hiring 1800 hr CFIs.
Life not fair. You can stand there and whine or shut up and color.
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Old 08-28-2018 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
Life not fair. You can stand there and whine or shut up and color.
Nice. That's all you have Laura Ingram?
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Old 08-28-2018 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Floyd
I'm pointing out the hypocrisy. The majors had furloughed pilots out for years if not over a decade. Some flew and some did not. Maybe for some it was more challenging but, they made it through the training footprint. Again, there is a difference between someone who has been out of the cockpit for 10-15 yrs vs 1-2. I fully understand the risk undertaken by hiring someone who's been out for an extended time, but a year or two?

What makes the training at the regional level stand out compared to the majors? As described above, the majors have experience in training pilots lacking currency. Speaking of training, do the majors or the regionals have the higher washout rate?

Oh, and thanks for making my point in regards to hiring 1800 hr CFIs.
While your first paragraph is true, it doesn't point to hypocrisy or even what the company desires, it points to what the Union was able to negotiate. If the company had their way, they would just fire pilots whenever they needed to (maybe just for the winter months???) and then you would have to re-apply when the company needed more pilots.

Unlike furloughs, when it comes to hiring the company gets to make the rules. (within FAA requirements) They can and do come up with some crazy stuff, but you can either:
1. play by their rules or
2. not play at all.

Complaining about them, criticizing them, laughing at them on a public forum, sure that is what we pilots do. However, ultimately you still have the two choices. If you choose option 1, then in this case that means go get current.

That doesn't mean that afterward everyone here will agree you are more qualified than others, but it does mean that the majors will think you are more qualified than others, and theirs is the only opinion that matters!
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Old 08-28-2018 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Floyd
Nice. That's all you have Laura Ingram?
No, I offered you a path to get current. Hundreds of mil guys have gone before you and done it and are flying for the majors now.

Or you can continue complaining. GoCats pretty much nailed it.

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Old 08-28-2018 | 03:01 PM
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A stint at a regional airline would be very beneficial. Excellent experience and its part 121 flying, same as the big boys.
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Old 08-28-2018 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by GoCats67
While your first paragraph is true, it doesn't point to hypocrisy or even what the company desires, it points to what the Union was able to negotiate. If the company had their way, they would just fire pilots whenever they needed to (maybe just for the winter months???) and then you would have to re-apply when the company needed more pilots.

Unlike furloughs, when it comes to hiring the company gets to make the rules. (within FAA requirements) They can and do come up with some crazy stuff, but you can either:
1. play by their rules or
2. not play at all.

Complaining about them, criticizing them, laughing at them on a public forum, sure that is what we pilots do. However, ultimately you still have the two choices. If you choose option 1, then in this case that means go get current.

That doesn't mean that afterward everyone here will agree you are more qualified than others, but it does mean that the majors will think you are more qualified than others, and theirs is the only opinion that matters!
I don't disagree. The company holds the keys to the vault. You know, that 7 million dollar lottery ticket.

I was pointing to the hypocritical comments of pilots who support the notion that regionals are the place to get current, if you've been out of the cockpit for a year you'll cost money and time, and the most bs comment thrown was our training is better for those who aren't current.
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Old 08-28-2018 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
No, I offered you a path to get current. Hundreds of mil guys have gone before you and done it and are flying for the majors now.

Or you can continue complaining. GoCats pretty much nailed it.
I applied to United years ago. Funny thing is my goal is to be paid while achieving non currency.
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