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Sunvox 09-14-2018 06:52 AM

19-02 Out later today. Crew Resources update
 
19-02 Out later today. Crew Resources update available now.

15 787 EWR-CAP
20 787 EWR-FO

to start, but update says plan is 55/105 by summer 2019.

plus other stuff :)

pilotgolfer 09-14-2018 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by Sunvox (Post 2674046)
19-02 Out later today. Crew Resources update available now.

15 787 EWR-CAP
20 787 EWR-FO

to start, but update says plan is 55/105 by summer 2019.

plus other stuff :)

This is a healthy size bid! This will cause some ripples in the system. 100 Captain bids plus lots of WB FOs...quite a few Denver bids, too. Sorry about the format!

Vacancy 19-02V opens September 14 and closes September 25:
B787 captain
15 – EWR 5 – SFO

B787 first officer
20 – EWR 5 – SFO
5 – DCA

B777 captain
20 – SFO 5 – EWR 5 – IAH

B777 first officer
30 – SFO

B756 captain
5 – DEN 10 – EWR 10 – LAX

B756 first officer
5 – DCA 5 – DEN 5 – IAH
10 – LAX

A320 captain
5 – DEN
5 – EWR 10 – SFO

A320 first officer
5 – IAH 15 – SFO

B737 captain
10 – DCA 5 – DEN 5 – EWR
5 – IAH

B737 first officer
10 – DCA 5 – DEN 10 – LAX 25 – SFO

spaaks 09-14-2018 09:00 AM

bored on a sit here ya go

This is a healthy size bid! This will cause some ripples in the system. 100 Captain bids plus lots of WB FOs...quite a few Denver bids, too. Sorry about the format!

Vacancy 19-02V opens September 14 and closes September 25:

B787 captain
15 – EWR
5 – SFO

B787 first officer
20 – EWR
5 – SFO
5 – DCA

B777 captain
20 – SFO
5 – EWR
5 – IAH

B777 first officer
30 – SFO

B756 captain
5 – DEN
10 – EWR
10 – LAX

B756 first officer
5 – DCA
5 – DEN
5 – IAH
10 – LAX

A320 captain
5 – DEN
5 – EWR
10 – SFO

A320 first officer
5 – IAH
15 – SFO

B737 captain
10 – DCA
5 – DEN
5 – EWR
5 – IAH

B737 first officer
10 – DCA
5 – DEN
10 – LAX
25 – SFO

ChalupaBatman 09-14-2018 09:07 AM

Yet another punch in the nuts for ORD. God forbid we ever get some more WB flying, or a 787 base. But hey, good for EWR & SFO [emoji52]


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awax 09-14-2018 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by ChalupaBatman (Post 2674116)
Yet another punch in the nuts for ORD. God forbid we ever get some more WB flying, or a 787 base. But hey, good for EWR & SFO [emoji52]


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Why grow ORD when we have a hub in CLE? :D

baseball 09-14-2018 09:39 AM

I was surprised to see anything pop up in EWR. With the New Jersey legislature looking to tax any airline boarding over 800 million passengers, UAL would be the only carrier penalized.

I wonder if United Leadership is going to do another knee jerk reaction like Mr. Smizek did in IAH when Houston, Texas allowed SWA to fly international out of Hobby? Smart move. Lets pull out of Paris and a few other places because the competition heats up.

I figured IAH and ORD would see some growth in order to teach the New Jersey Legislature a lesson in economics....

awax 09-14-2018 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2674144)
I was surprised to see anything pop up in EWR. With the New Jersey legislature looking to tax any airline boarding over 800 million passengers, UAL would be the only carrier penalized.

((800M/365)/1600)/3 = More seats than we have

That is, 1600 aircraft network-wide, each flying 3 segments a day would have to have about 450 passengers on EACH leg, every day to hit that threshold. I'm guessing someone at HQ did the math and decided it wasn't an issue.

ReadyRsv 09-14-2018 11:35 AM

It’s 8 million in Newark.

okieskies99 09-14-2018 01:50 PM

Time to play guess that bid again! What’s your guess on junior Capt and junior WB in any base.

Blackbird 09-14-2018 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by okieskies99 (Post 2674299)
Time to play guess that bid again! What’s your guess on junior Capt and junior WB in any base.

My guess 9999

awax 09-14-2018 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by ReadyRsv (Post 2674224)
It’s 8 million in Newark.

Yeah 800 million, 8 million.......whatever it takes

Mudge 09-14-2018 04:07 PM

This is a call for all ORD 320 FO's to move on to bigger and better things. Get those bids in. Good luck. We're all counting on you.

Rolan75 09-14-2018 04:37 PM

Hmmm, WHQ is Chicago. No vacancies at all for any aircraft or seat in ORD. The MAX and MIN numbers in every aircraft and seat for ORD show they are willing to lose people without any backfill, in some cases by more than 20. Maybe in 8 years when the new terminals are done we'll actually grow ORD. Pretty disappointed with this vacancy.

ChalupaBatman 09-14-2018 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by Rolan75 (Post 2674360)
Hmmm, WHQ is Chicago. No vacancies at all for any aircraft or seat in ORD. The MAX and MIN numbers in every aircraft and seat for ORD show they are willing to lose people without any backfill, in some cases by more than 20. Maybe in 8 years when the new terminals are done we'll actually grow ORD. Pretty disappointed with this vacancy.



Life as an ORD based pilot is disappointing. What we need in ORD is for UAX ops to get neutered and pass that flying back to us. Oh, and a 787 base. I think I’ll ask Santa for that this year.


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Grumble 09-14-2018 06:25 PM

The city of Chicago is all but bankrupt, bonds are rated junk status, taxes going up, in a booming economy the real estate market is flat/declining, there’s a middle class population exodus... shall I go on? Nothing against the base, ord is by far my fav base to fly in/out of. Smells like Type 1 nine months out of the year... but hands down best controllers in the country.

Itsajob 09-14-2018 06:48 PM

There’s not going to be any movement for f/o’s on the 777 or 787 in the base on the bayou for a long time either, but overall I think things are pretty good right now. Both companies brought strengths and weaknesses into this deal. Others were created as a result of putting the pieces together. I think that we have trimmed the fat and are turning into a pretty lean and efficient machine. Parking the 747 early and shuffling the bases around wasn’t fun, but it needed to happen. This bid is just the beginning of many more to come. We have a bunch of 737’s on the way as well as the 350. All they need now is a modern replacement for the 767. After years of industry stagnation, furloughs, concessions, etc, this is nice.

Andy 09-15-2018 02:32 AM


Originally Posted by Itsajob (Post 2674432)
We have a bunch of 737’s on the way as well as the 350. All they need now is a modern replacement for the 767. After years of industry stagnation, furloughs, concessions, etc, this is nice.

LOL!
350? Unlikely. And Rolls Royce's engine problems are making it easier to walk away from any engine deposits.

767 replacement? 787-8 for the 767-300. 787-9 for the 767-400. Compare seat counts.
Or the 737 is the 756 replacement, depending on how cynical you are.

N6279P 09-15-2018 04:41 AM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 2674542)
LOL!
350? Unlikely. And Rolls Royce's engine problems are making it easier to walk away from any engine deposits.

767 replacement? 787-8 for the 767-300. 787-9 for the 767-400. Compare seat counts.
Or the 737 is the 756 replacement, depending on how cynical you are.

First, there’s been no noticeable issues with the RR engines on the A350. Second, the 787 doesn’t make a very good 767 replacement; it’s significantly heavier, dimensionally larger and doesn’t make a lot of sense doing the shorter 767 transatlantic routes.

Terrain Inop 09-15-2018 05:32 AM

UAL recently named the A350 fleet program manager as the A320 program manager. I wouldn't read between the lines too much, but I think it's a significant impact as to the viability of the A350 program at UAL.

oldmako 09-15-2018 07:11 AM

Not so sure that's 100% correct. He's been the 320 guru for a long time. And now, he's been dual qualified (on the bus and the 777) to get him up to speed on long-range international stuff. I flew with him just a few months ago.

All that being said, James isn't holding his breath. In fact, I don't even think he's breathing.

BMEP100 09-15-2018 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by Rolan75 (Post 2674360)
Hmmm, WHQ is Chicago. No vacancies at all for any aircraft or seat in ORD. The MAX and MIN numbers in every aircraft and seat for ORD show they are willing to lose people without any backfill, in some cases by more than 20. Maybe in 8 years when the new terminals are done we'll actually grow ORD. Pretty disappointed with this vacancy.

The location of WHQ has little to do with daily operations these days. Maybe it was relevant decades ago when it was established, but Chicago is an economic mess. Many believe the only reason HQ is still there was a political move during the previous Fedgov admin to get the merger through.

Ever wonder why Boeing moved to Chicago? How many planes do they build there?

All other major airline mergers moved their HQ out of the rust belt, to the south.

sweptback 09-15-2018 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by BMEP100 (Post 2674641)
All other major airline mergers moved their HQ out of the rust belt, to the south.

If by all other you mean Northwest, then sure. Every merger that took place located the combined HQ at the location of the current HQ of the surviving airline’s name. I’m sure if we would have taken the Continental name then the HQ would have ended up in Houston, but we didn’t.

And while Chicago has a financial mess on their hands, the problem is pensions. Just like most cities and states, except maybe a bit more visible. Due to the IL constitution, pension benefits cannot be reduced once given, so attempts by the city to change pension benefits (via collective bargaining) were struck down in court. I’m not sure what else can be done short of a constitutional amendment, which would need to come from Springfield.

BMEP100 09-15-2018 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by sweptback (Post 2674725)
If by all other you mean Northwest, then sure. Every merger that took place located the combined HQ at the location of the current HQ of the surviving airline’s name. I’m sure if we would have taken the Continental name then the HQ would have ended up in Houston, but we didn’t....
.

I'm not sure, but..
Don't forget USAirways (Phl) and AMR (DAL)

On the surface the surviving name would seem to be the determinant, but politics always has a deeper influence when such mergers require Fedgov approval. Passengers who see the name on the plane certainly don't care where the HQ is...if they even know.

Why do you think Boeing moved to ORD? Certainly not for the taxes, climate or labor costs, or scenic view. (Hint...Obama, pentagon contracts)

Similarly, the city of Houston built SWA a new terminal once Cal left Houston, even after city council put on knee pads in the negotiations.

sweptback 09-15-2018 12:37 PM


Why do you think Boeing moved to ORD? Certainly not for the taxes, climate or labor costs, or scenic view. (Hint...Obama, pentagon contracts)
Because they wanted their headquarters located in the central part of the US with good air travel options. Seattle at the time was a small regional airport with very little international service.

Boeing also moved their headquarters prior to the Obama administration (easily verified with a Google search), but don't let facts get in the way of your feelings.

awax 09-15-2018 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by sweptback (Post 2674833)
Because they wanted their headquarters located in the central part of the US with good air travel options. Seattle at the time was a small regional airport with very little international service.

Boeing also moved their headquarters prior to the Obama administration (easily verified with a Google search), but don't let facts get in the way of your feelings.

BS! Air Travel options? gimme a break. How about $41 million in tax and other incentives over 20 years. Denver and Dallas didn't pony up the dollars, but were finalist. If air travel options were at play, Denver never would have made the list. Follow the money.

As the then CEO said....


''Our decision to move was a strategic business decision,'' Philip M. Condit, the chairman and chief executive, said at a news conference this afternoon on the tarmac at Midway Airport in Chicago. ''We believe that having a headquarters separate from any of our businesses will help us grow.''

Grumble 09-15-2018 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by sweptback (Post 2674725)
If by all other you mean Northwest, then sure. Every merger that took place located the combined HQ at the location of the current HQ of the surviving airline’s name. I’m sure if we would have taken the Continental name then the HQ would have ended up in Houston, but we didn’t.

And while Chicago has a financial mess on their hands, the problem is pensions. Just like most cities and states, except maybe a bit more visible. Due to the IL constitution, pension benefits cannot be reduced once given, so attempts by the city to change pension benefits (via collective bargaining) were struck down in court. I’m not sure what else can be done short of a constitutional amendment, which would need to come from Springfield.

It’s a simple math problem... that which can not go on, will not go on.

sweptback 09-15-2018 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by awax (Post 2674841)
BS! Air Travel options? gimme a break. How about $41 million in tax and other incentives over 20 years. Denver and Dallas didn't pony up the dollars, but were finalist. If air travel options were at play, Denver never would have made the list. Follow the money.

As the then CEO said....

Read the third paragraph: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...=.2b01f2919de2

CousinEddie 09-15-2018 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by sweptback (Post 2674725)
If by all other you mean Northwest, then sure. Every merger that took place located the combined HQ at the location of the current HQ of the surviving airline’s name. I’m sure if we would have taken the Continental name then the HQ would have ended up in Houston, but we didn’t.

And while Chicago has a financial mess on their hands, the problem is pensions. Just like most cities and states, except maybe a bit more visible. Due to the IL constitution, pension benefits cannot be reduced once given, so attempts by the city to change pension benefits (via collective bargaining) were struck down in court. I’m not sure what else can be done short of a constitutional amendment, which would need to come from Springfield.

Illinois is the tip of the spear for a national problem, including Texas:

https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/towering-debts/

For those new to Illinois, here is why it is known as Madiganistan:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgVP3H122nw

Sunvox 09-15-2018 09:23 PM

To all the ORD lamenters, I admit to suffering from a small amount of Schadenfreude. For those that are not familiar with German, please indulge a moment of explanation. The Germans have a great habit of combining words to make new words and in this case they combined the words for sadness and joy to mean the pleasure one derives from another's unhappiness.

When I was a new hire I inquired as to whether or not we would ever grow New York, and a then senior executive said . . . and I quote . . . "well at United the sun rises and sets in Chicago so I'm gonna say the chances we will grow New York are zero".

I never forgot those words.

Times change . . .

P.S. I live in NY :D

P.P.S. James, you should know I have 17 days off. My trips are all 2 legs only. I have 80 hrs, AND a layover of 25 hours in Cabo. Methinks your experience on the bus is not like mine.

baseball 09-16-2018 03:33 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2674422)
The city of Chicago is all but bankrupt, bonds are rated junk status, taxes going up, in a booming economy the real estate market is flat/declining, there’s a middle class population exodus... shall I go on? Nothing against the base, ord is by far my fav base to fly in/out of. Smells like Type 1 nine months out of the year... but hands down best controllers in the country.


So what you're saying is "it's allot like Detroit Michigan 20 years ago."

baseball 09-16-2018 03:39 AM


Originally Posted by Terrain Inop (Post 2674590)
UAL recently named the A350 fleet program manager as the A320 program manager. I wouldn't read between the lines too much, but I think it's a significant impact as to the viability of the A350 program at UAL.


I wasn't aware that we had an A 350 program at UAL.

I think's it's a "ghost program." Reminds me of how well the USAF hid the F-117 leading up to Desert Storm. Sure, we've got a program manager, but this guy has the best job in town.

Office at 830. Coffee, email check up

Make the rounds at 9 am say howdy, make some social calls

Log into net flix and download favorite movie. watch til lunch time

Go have lunch off campus back by 2pm

fly the simulator from 2 to 3 to maintain proficiency

3pm cartoons, snack, and nap

4:30 time to head home

My friends at ICE tell me this is sorta what they were doing during Obama years.
8:30 office
9:00 Net Flix
11:00 lunch
1:00 work out
3:00 Net Flix
430 go home

guppie 09-16-2018 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by BMEP100 (Post 2674755)
I'm not sure, but..
Don't forget USAirways (Phl) and AMR (DAL)

Blasphemy!! American Airlines is headquartered in Ft. Worth, TX. That is all. Carry on.

Grumble 09-16-2018 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2675136)
I wasn't aware that we had an A 350 program at UAL.

I think's it's a "ghost program." Reminds me of how well the USAF hid the F-117 leading up to Desert Storm. Sure, we've got a program manager, but this guy has the best job in town.

Office at 830. Coffee, email check up

Make the rounds at 9 am say howdy, make some social calls

Log into net flix and download favorite movie. watch til lunch time

Go have lunch off campus back by 2pm

fly the simulator from 2 to 3 to maintain proficiency

3pm cartoons, snack, and nap

4:30 time to head home

My friends at ICE tell me this is sorta what they were doing during Obama years.
8:30 office
9:00 Net Flix
11:00 lunch
1:00 work out
3:00 Net Flix
430 go home

Go to TK, 350 stuff is popping up.

Aquaticus 09-16-2018 10:04 AM

If you look at that seat/range chart that was posted earlier it kind of makes the case for the 350 on paper. The 777-2 are getting old and the 777X is too big, the 350-1000 is too big and too little range, and 78-10 is too little range 78-9 is too small. The closest airplane to the range and seat count to the old 777-200 is the 350-9. The costs of an added fleet might lead them to persue the 777-x which would be great for us. You need a lot more mainline passengers to fill a 360 seat airplane vs a 285.
http://veritas-lux.blogspot.com/2018...-and-777x.html

C11DCA 09-16-2018 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by Aquaticus (Post 2675298)
If you look at that seat/range chart that was posted earlier it kind of makes the case for the 350 on paper. The 777-2 are getting old and the 777X is too big, the 350-1000 is too big and too little range, and 78-10 is too little range 78-9 is too small. The closest airplane to the range and seat count to the old 777-200 is the 350-9. The costs of an added fleet might lead them to persue the 777-x which would be great for us. You need a lot more mainline passengers to fill a 360 seat airplane vs a 285.
http://veritas-lux.blogspot.com/2018...-and-777x.html

Umm just to nitpick but the range of the 350-1000 is not too little as compared to the 777-200er. Airbus lists its range at 8400nm

Cathay just started HKG-IAD with the 350-1000 (334 seats)

https://www.businesstraveller.com/bu...bus-a350-1000/

awax 09-16-2018 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by guppie (Post 2675205)
Blasphemy!! American Airlines is headquartered in Ft. Worth, TX. That is all. Carry on.

They claim Ft. Worth, but it’s actually the ****ty part of north Grand Prairie

Viperstick 09-16-2018 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by ChalupaBatman (Post 2674116)
Yet another punch in the nuts for ORD. God forbid we ever get some more WB flying, or a 787 base. But hey, good for EWR & SFO [emoji52]


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This ought to be good for 6-9 more pages...

Have heard after EWR gets their 78s, ORD is next. No definite timeline mentioned.

Aquaticus 09-16-2018 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by C11DCA (Post 2675505)
Umm just to nitpick but the range of the 350-1000 is not too little as compared to the 777-200er. Airbus lists its range at 8400nm

Cathay just started HKG-IAD with the 350-1000 (334 seats)

https://www.businesstraveller.com/bu...bus-a350-1000/

Veritas: Range of A350, 787 and 777x according to United Airlines

This is the chart from a United powerpoint third quarter of 2017. The 1000 has less range than the 900 but too many seats. See how closely the 777-2 and 350-9 are on the chart. If they were looking for a square peg for a square hole. Thats all I was pointing out. It is all semantics really they are all cool airplanes.

guppie 09-17-2018 02:31 AM


Originally Posted by awax (Post 2675517)
They claim Ft. Worth, but it’s actually the ****ty part of north Grand Prairie

Negative. Thanks to the ARM! :D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_W...ighlighted.svg

lukeh99 09-17-2018 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by awax (Post 2674841)
BS! Air Travel options? gimme a break. How about $41 million in tax and other incentives over 20 years. Denver and Dallas didn't pony up the dollars, but were finalist. If air travel options were at play, Denver never would have made the list. Follow the money.

As the then CEO said....

Companies these days are also very concerned about attracting talent. Chicago has world-class culture, beautiful, walkable neighborhooods, an extensive public transportation system, amazing lakefront parks and beaches, and a cost of living that is a fraction of New York or Los Angeles.

Many large companies are actually moving their offices out of the suburbs and back into Chicago because new college graduates want to live in diverse, progressive, urban, culturally rich places. I know Denver and Dallas both have their share of these qualities, but nowhere near the scale it exists in Chicago.

When you combine all of that with tax incentives, central location, and a worldwide aviation hub like ORD it is not surprising at all that Chicago would be a desirable place for a corporate HQ.


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