With the chance of making $174/hr (2nd yr 777 FO pay according to APC), and $174 being Delta 767-300 4th yr pay, or ballpark 6th year narrowbody pay) i'd argue that United would now be the place to be over Delta because of the movement opportunities/ability to get to a higher paying seat quicker
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Originally Posted by spaaks
(Post 2841425)
With the chance of making $174/hr (2nd yr 777 FO pay according to APC), and $174 being Delta 767-300 4th yr pay, or ballpark 6th year narrowbody pay) i'd argue that United would now be the place to be over Delta
There's an entire cadre of regional pilots waiting in the wings that totally understand seniority. A new-hire 777 FO will be junior forever. Ditto a 4-year CA. That will work for some, but not for others depending upon circumstances. There's no free lunch on a seniority list and if a new-hire gets 777 the first year it means nearly 13,000 other pilots passed on the opportunity. |
Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
(Post 2841433)
It just depends if the only goal is $$$.
There's an entire cadre of regional pilots waiting in the wings that totally understand seniority. A new-hire 777 FO will be junior forever. Ditto a 4-year CA. That will work for some, but not for others depending upon circumstances. There's no free lunch on a seniority list and if a new-hire gets 777 the first year it means nearly 13,000 other pilots passed on the opportunity. |
Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
(Post 2841433)
It just depends if the only goal is $$$.
There's an entire cadre of regional pilots waiting in the wings that totally understand seniority. A new-hire 777 FO will be junior forever. Ditto a 4-year CA. That will work for some, but not for others depending upon circumstances. There's no free lunch on a seniority list and if a new-hire gets 777 the first year it means nearly 13,000 other pilots passed on the opportunity. |
Originally Posted by texaspropguy
(Post 2841446)
Think years of global reserve.
Is the pain of sitting global reserve worth the extra $40k/yr you’d make? In good times like now vs in the next downturn where there’s nothing but attrition (no vacancy bids)? I can’t be the only one wondering If delta might not be the top dog anymore. Fly a A220 or 717 for $136-160/hr for the first 6 years or have the opportunity to move up to a much higher paying widebody seat much sooner at united (I know that difference has always been there, but the disparity seems much bigger now that sub 2yr widebody FO at United is a reality). I don’t think you can even hold the 757 in 2 years at delta? |
Originally Posted by spaaks
(Post 2841455)
Is the pain of sitting global reserve worth the extra $40k/yr you’d make? In good times like now vs in the next downturn where there’s nothing but attrition (no vacancy bids)?
One straw man is a 40-something who's been slogging it in the regional trenches for a long time, commuting and now has young kids and finally at UAL w/ reasonable pay/qol as a narrow body pilot. Ditch that to commute to SFO or EWR for global rsv? Not a chance for some. Another is a relatively senior narrow body pilot who hits Hawaii, the Caribbean, AK or whatever their pleasure, can pick up premium pay trip when desired, gets the vacations they want and likely most weekends off. That theoretical $40k difference goes completely out the window for them when you compare baseline rsv to the ability to hit 100+ credit hours when desired. Lots of ways to skin a cat but hitching a ride at the bottom of a WB list ain't for everyone. |
Originally Posted by Chuck D
(Post 2841462)
This is why it's cool to have options. I can think of many people who would hate life if they were commuting to global rsv.
One straw man is a 40-something who's been slogging it in the regional trenches for a long time, commuting and now has young kids and finally at UAL w/ reasonable pay/qol as a narrow body pilot. Ditch that to commute to SFO or EWR for global rsv? Not a chance for some. Another is a relatively senior narrow body pilot who hits Hawaii, the Caribbean, AK or whatever their pleasure, can pick up premium pay trip when desired, gets the vacations they want and likely most weekends off. That theoretical $40k difference goes completely out the window for them when you compare baseline rsv to the ability to hit 100+ credit hours when desired. Lots of ways to skin a cat but hitching a ride at the bottom of a WB list ain't for everyone. Let’s say you’re a regional guy and would commute for UA and DL, which one do you choose right now? Taking in to account that DL has done a lot of their hiring in the last 2 yrs already Long term career progression, right now, I think UA is the play over DL. I don’t think DL will ever be able to get that JV/scope work back in the can. |
Originally Posted by spaaks
(Post 2841466)
Long term career progression, right now, I think UA is the play over DL. I don’t think DL will ever be able to get that JV/scope work back in the can.
Do you fly airplanes as a professional pilot? |
Originally Posted by spaaks
(Post 2841425)
With the chance of making $174/hr (2nd yr 777 FO pay according to APC), and $174 being Delta 767-300 4th yr pay, or ballpark 6th year narrowbody pay) i'd argue that United would now be the place to be over Delta because of the movement opportunities/ability to get to a higher paying seat quicker
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Originally Posted by iHateAMR
(Post 2841709)
If you’re chasing the money/big jets, then FedEx is your better bet at 178/hr on all but one seat your 2nd year. On the 757, you can be captain around 12 months on property making 243/hr. Widebody Captain is running 3.5 years (288/hr). Fastest movement, earliest high pay rate.
I imagine we’ll have folks on second year pay actually in the left seat of our narrow body aircraft here in the up coming vacancies. (Not a pleasant experience either, I would think. But for different reasons) ie. career short call reserve But as others have said, it’s great to have options and to each their own. Very exciting times! |
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