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I found it useful, if a bit canned. The pneumonics of the way if is taught are likely necessary, but I found that distracting. Our first instincts are often wrong, particularly if a pilot has limited aerobatic training, so I understand the why behind it. Overall, the simulator is the limiting factor in the training, but I felt it was some of the best training I’ve had at United.
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Once I had the G Gordon face palm down, I knew I was ready for the upset training.
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
(Post 2869969)
Critical AOA reacts the same whether right side up or inverted. If you exceed it, you stall. So what you said above is correct, plus any other way you could stall upright. It’s the same for inverted flight.
Out of the realm of transport flying here, but your comment of pulling hard enough inverted to stall is 100% correct. I do it all the time when doing snap rolls on an inverted down line or at the top of a loop. That is a positive snap roll from inverted. You can also push into a negative snap. filler |
I have to echo the comments by others in that it has been some of, if not the best training I’ve seen in my 21 years in the industry.
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I agree, great training. If you want to expand on it and experience it first hand, you can go to APS in Mesa and experience it in an Extra. The instructors there are top notch and great at what they do. I have been twice and it still amazes me how they can hold an intelligent conversation 5-6 turns into a full on spin.
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I thought it was great, and long overdue.
It is extremely similar to Air Force “unusual attitude recoveries,” except the Air Force allows blending of actions (say, going to idle while rolling upright when nose low and inverted), instead of in a methodical linear fashion. I learned to fly at an FBO, and had some misconceptions about stalls and spins a few years later when I showed up at Air Force pilot training. The Air Force (correctly) dispelled the idea that airspeed causes a stall, and UPRT stays true to that dictum: Airplanes stall when you ask for more “g” than current conditions allow. Solution? Ask for less. Great program, and highlights the dominance of inertia over aerodynamic damping of the empennage when in a post-stall gyration. |
These days I'm happy with any training that doesn't involve ethics, bribery, harassment, or how to turn into Marvin Mainliner in ten steps or less.
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Loved it, so far the best training I’ve had at United
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Originally Posted by Aviatorr
(Post 2870322)
Loved it, so far the best training I’ve had at United
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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
(Post 2870197)
It is extremely similar to Air Force “unusual attitude recoveries,”
Student: “I want a BUFF....wait....no, I want a fighter.” IP: “Very good.” :D |
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