UPRT?
How did you like the training and did you think you gained anything useful from it?
I found it to provide some very good information, primarily about performance loss at altitude and being careful near max FMC alt. I do not think it provides very realistic scenario training for upset as it is completely impossible to simulate the startle of being flipped upside down. I fly competition aerobatics on the side. If you haven’t been upside down lately I highly recommend it. |
A little seat of the pants man-handling (trigger warning) a 737 is good for the soul. I enjoyed it. Got more out of it than I thought I would. Glad we did it. Was hard in the sim to go for that 1/2 G unloaded sweet spot but it was fun trying and cool to see the low speed awareness reaction. Got a ton of reps in which helped solidify the idea behind the call outs.
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Originally Posted by cal73
(Post 2869846)
A little seat of the pants man-handling (trigger warning) a 737 is good for the soul. I enjoyed it. Got more out of it than I thought I would. Glad we did it. Was hard in the sim to go for that 1/2 G unloaded sweet spot but it was fun trying and cool to see the low speed awareness reaction. Got a ton of reps in which helped solidify the idea behind the call outs.
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I thought it was great. Hopefully if any of us were unaware of swept wing aerodynamics and handling characteristics this helped.
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Originally Posted by Deafguppy
(Post 2869908)
I thought it was great. Hopefully if any of us were unaware of swept wing aerodynamics and handling characteristics this helped.
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
(Post 2869925)
I thought it for a short time before leaving TK. There are plenty of misconceptions out there. My favorite was “you can’t stall an airplane when inverted!”. I heard that one twice from two separate people on separate days.
Pushing too much (trying to keep the nose up upside down in level flight) Pulling too much (might be hard, but as long as you load up enough starting at a low speed it should be possible I think). Prefer my flying blue side up, let me know if I’m wrong. |
Big Thumbs Up. I've got lots of experience recovering from unusual attitudes, but not in something so unwieldy. Much better prepared now.
Wish we spent more CQ time doing stuff like this vice my umpteenth V1 cut. Lots of possible EPs out there that I've only read about and never seen in any form at the TK (runaway trim anyone?). Recent example: The SWA engine failure combined with a not so rapid decompression. In the initial confusion after the engine shelled, how easy would it have been not to notice the loss of pressure? I'd love to see that recreated at the TK as a demo. |
Reminded me a lot of working on my private pilot. Departure stalls, accelerated stall, approach stalls. It was very hard on the sim. About what I expected of a transport category plane, but useful.
I am an outlier, I have both civil and military background. I had it the first day they were running it, so the instructor was a little lost, but we muddled through it. Good training and we should have had it a decade ago. |
Originally Posted by symbian simian
(Post 2869937)
I would guess you can stall an airplane upside down in two ways:
Pushing too much (trying to keep the nose up upside down in level flight) Pulling too much (might be hard, but as long as you load up enough starting at a low speed it should be possible I think). Prefer my flying blue side up, let me know if I’m wrong. Out of the realm of transport flying here, but your comment of pulling hard enough inverted to stall is 100% correct. I do it all the time when doing snap rolls on an inverted down line or at the top of a loop. That is a positive snap roll from inverted. You can also push into a negative snap. |
Found it to be really well done. Briefing was a bit long in tooth. Sim session was outstanding. Zero problem with drilling 4 callouts into line mongols like me going forward.
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