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O2pilot 10-04-2019 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by sleeves (Post 2898111)
Unless the company is going to use the bankruptcy laws to steal scope, like they did retirement, we don’t have to give up shot. You seem excited for scope relief, I feel bad for you. You must be stuck at the regional with no way out. Must be a bad pilot.

The company isn’t going to wipe out billions of shareholder equity including all the stock they’ve accumulated in the last decade to take away scope. If the company gets that bad financially, we are all screwed.

sleeves 10-04-2019 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by O2pilot (Post 2898114)
The company isn’t going to wipe out billions of shareholder equity including all the stock they’ve accumulated in the last decade to take away scope. If the company gets that bad financially, we are all screwed.

I agree, I do not think some get that. I can sit on this contract for years. Mgt. put me through a training program early in my career on how to live on $13.97/hr. I am in no hurry to get what I want, and I am not giving up shot.

Fresh 10-04-2019 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by airlinepilot50 (Post 2898057)
In the next downturn ahead, will UAL pilots take pay concessions or give management scope expansion? You will have to give something back.

Congrats, you’re the tool of the day.

DashTrash 10-04-2019 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by airlinepilot50 (Post 2898057)
In the next downturn ahead, will UAL pilots take pay concessions or give management scope expansion? You will have to give something back.

We don’t have to give anything back, outside of a bankruptcy. We are perfectly happy to live under our current agreement until we get a better agreement. I do not believe that this pilot group will cave on scope. Regional jet flown by regional pilots are a risk for our product because they have no skin in the game.

Dave Fitzgerald 10-04-2019 07:40 AM

Why is it that some people think we have to give something up to get gains in the contract? There is no set amount of money and we have to decide what we want vs. what to give up--no matter how much management tells you this.

It all comes down to unity, how solid our resolve is--and how bad the company wants something. That's called leverage. Comments like these don't help, and we have failed as a union to educate our membership. Obviously still a work in progress.

airlinepilot50 10-04-2019 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by sleeves (Post 2898111)
Unless the company is going to use the bankruptcy laws to steal scope, like they did retirement, we don’t have to give up shot. You seem excited for scope relief, I feel bad for you. You must be stuck at the regional with no way out. Must be a bad pilot.

It’s in the interest of myself and others denied jobs at mainline to expand scope so we can have a better quality of life. It’s unfortunate that ALPA mainline pilots do not do more to advance ALL ALPA regional pilots so we can be on the same team. I’m enjoying the new 175 and expect to see more coming our way. It’s a great airplane and fun to fly.

oldmako 10-04-2019 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by airlinepilot50 (Post 2898208)
It’s in the interest of myself and others denied jobs at mainline to expand scope so we can have a better quality of life. It’s unfortunate that ALPA mainline pilots do not do more to advance ALL ALPA regional pilots so we can be on the same team. I’m enjoying the new 175 and expect to see more coming our way. It’s a great airplane and fun to fly.


Dude, do you think that its possible that you've been "denied" a job at mainline because you're delusional? You have zero control over the expansion of scope at mainline, interest or not. My team already took it in the shorts (several times) to allow you to fly OUR PASSENGERS in your shiny new 175 THAT UNITED LIKELY PAID FOR on OUR ROUTES.

I am all for a better QOL for you but not at my airline's expense.
Few things chapped my rear end more than jump-seating on shiny new planes on routes that I flew (just before UA decided that I needed a break from employment) and listening to happy young pilots educate me on the painful vagaries of the industry and how great their new planes were.

Having spent over a decade as a commuter puke, I feel your pain. But I have no interest in alleviating any of it. I already gave at the office. Over and over. You want a better gig, I get that. Go get it somewhere else. Everyone is hiring and it's a sellers market.

pilotgolfer 10-04-2019 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by airlinepilot50 (Post 2898208)
It’s in the interest of myself and others denied jobs at mainline to expand scope so we can have a better quality of life. It’s unfortunate that ALPA mainline pilots do not do more to advance ALL ALPA regional pilots so we can be on the same team. I’m enjoying the new 175 and expect to see more coming our way. It’s a great airplane and fun to fly.

Your trolling skills are top-notch. 👏.

airlinepilot50 10-04-2019 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by pilotgolfer (Post 2898236)
Your trolling skills are top-notch. 👏.

😊 Thank you!

sleeves 10-04-2019 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by pilotgolfer (Post 2898236)
Your trolling skills are top-notch. 👏.

Ya, but his piloting skills must suck. Hope he enjoys that 175...lol

I know I enjoy the profit sharing his low wages helps me get. I wanted a new jet ski.


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