Aviate FIFO question
11-15-2019, 08:01 PM
#11
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[QUOTE=Guppydriver95;2924680]
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Dependability: Participants are expected to maintain the same dependability standards as United’s employees, meaning no unexcused documented occurrences of any of the following (i.e., such occurrences must have doctor’s notes, etc.), unless such occurrences are considered Approved Leave:
Ø Sick call over a company recognized holiday.
Ø Failure to operate an assigned flight or event without notice.
Ø Notification of sick leave less than two hours prior to a scheduled event.
Ø Sick call impacting an assigned training event.
Ø Failure of the Participant to be contactable when required.
Ø Sick call prior to or following a scheduled vacation.
Ø Greater than four absences in a rolling 12-month period – subsequent legs of a trip will not be counted as individual absences, rather will be counted as one absence (e.g. a four-day trip will count as one absence not four)
Originally Posted by JUNEBUG82
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Ø Sick call over a company recognized holiday.
Ø Failure to operate an assigned flight or event without notice.
Ø Notification of sick leave less than two hours prior to a scheduled event.
Ø Sick call impacting an assigned training event.
Ø Failure of the Participant to be contactable when required.
Ø Sick call prior to or following a scheduled vacation.
Ø Greater than four absences in a rolling 12-month period – subsequent legs of a trip will not be counted as individual absences, rather will be counted as one absence (e.g. a four-day trip will count as one absence not four)
11-15-2019, 08:28 PM
#12
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[QUOTE=NovemberBravo;2924698]
Dependability: Participants are expected to maintain the same dependability standards as United’s employees, meaning no unexcused documented occurrences of any of the following (i.e., such occurrences must have doctor’s notes, etc.), unless such occurrences are considered Approved Leave:
Ø Sick call over a company recognized holiday.
Ø Failure to operate an assigned flight or event without notice.
Ø Notification of sick leave less than two hours prior to a scheduled event.
Ø Sick call impacting an assigned training event.
Ø Failure of the Participant to be contactable when required.
Ø Sick call prior to or following a scheduled vacation.
Ø Greater than four absences in a rolling 12-month period – subsequent legs of a trip will not be counted as individual absences, rather will be counted as one absence (e.g. a four-day trip will count as one absence not four)
Surely you see the holes in this, right?
Specifically, any pilot who happens to be sick during training, or near a holiday, now has to make a doctor’s appointment, spend money on copays, and waste time for things like colds and flus. Most people just stay home, but because of this program, pilots will be forced to go through this just so they aren’t potentially disqualified. And anyone in HR knows that the net effect is that guys will fly sick. Is the company’s position that pilots should never get sick over holidays or during training? Ridiculous. Again, it’s pilot pushing.
Originally Posted by Guppydriver95
Dependability: Participants are expected to maintain the same dependability standards as United’s employees, meaning no unexcused documented occurrences of any of the following (i.e., such occurrences must have doctor’s notes, etc.), unless such occurrences are considered Approved Leave:
Ø Sick call over a company recognized holiday.
Ø Failure to operate an assigned flight or event without notice.
Ø Notification of sick leave less than two hours prior to a scheduled event.
Ø Sick call impacting an assigned training event.
Ø Failure of the Participant to be contactable when required.
Ø Sick call prior to or following a scheduled vacation.
Ø Greater than four absences in a rolling 12-month period – subsequent legs of a trip will not be counted as individual absences, rather will be counted as one absence (e.g. a four-day trip will count as one absence not four)
Specifically, any pilot who happens to be sick during training, or near a holiday, now has to make a doctor’s appointment, spend money on copays, and waste time for things like colds and flus. Most people just stay home, but because of this program, pilots will be forced to go through this just so they aren’t potentially disqualified. And anyone in HR knows that the net effect is that guys will fly sick. Is the company’s position that pilots should never get sick over holidays or during training? Ridiculous. Again, it’s pilot pushing.
11-16-2019, 03:50 AM
#14
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Joined APC: Oct 2019
Position: B737 CA
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[QUOTE=Guppydriver95;2924712]
Surely you see the holes in this, right?
Specifically, any pilot who happens to be sick during training, or near a holiday, now has to make a doctor’s appointment, spend money on copays, and waste time for things like colds and flus. Most people just stay home, but because of this program, pilots will be forced to go through this just so they aren’t potentially disqualified. And anyone in HR knows that the net effect is that guys will fly sick. Is the company’s position that pilots should never get sick over holidays or during training? Ridiculous. Again, it’s pilot pushing.
No, it’s just something to keep out the trouble makers, not really that big of a deal, plus who can’t get a note from their AME in like two minutes if you need one.
Originally Posted by NovemberBravo
Surely you see the holes in this, right?
Specifically, any pilot who happens to be sick during training, or near a holiday, now has to make a doctor’s appointment, spend money on copays, and waste time for things like colds and flus. Most people just stay home, but because of this program, pilots will be forced to go through this just so they aren’t potentially disqualified. And anyone in HR knows that the net effect is that guys will fly sick. Is the company’s position that pilots should never get sick over holidays or during training? Ridiculous. Again, it’s pilot pushing.
11-16-2019, 06:33 AM
#15
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Joined APC: Apr 2012
Posts: 58
Where does someone find info on the AVIATE program? I saw the link and it says.. “stay tuned”.
What is FIFO? (first in, first out?)
I don’t see anywhere to apply for this program. I know it’s new but it sounds like it’s already in motion. I see they haven’t released any schools which will be part of the program.
Thanks for any info.
What is FIFO? (first in, first out?)
I don’t see anywhere to apply for this program. I know it’s new but it sounds like it’s already in motion. I see they haven’t released any schools which will be part of the program.
Thanks for any info.
11-16-2019, 07:55 AM
#16
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Posts: 55
Originally Posted by pksocal
Where does someone find info on the AVIATE program? I saw the link and it says.. “stay tuned”.
What is FIFO? (first in, first out?)
I don’t see anywhere to apply for this program. I know it’s new but it sounds like it’s already in motion. I see they haven’t released any schools which will be part of the program.
Thanks for any info.
What is FIFO? (first in, first out?)
I don’t see anywhere to apply for this program. I know it’s new but it sounds like it’s already in motion. I see they haven’t released any schools which will be part of the program.
Thanks for any info.
02-17-2020, 03:13 PM
#18
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Joined APC: May 2019
Posts: 92
[QUOTE=Guppydriver95;2924712]
Surely you see the holes in this, right?
Specifically, any pilot who happens to be sick during training, or near a holiday, now has to make a doctor’s appointment, spend money on copays, and waste time for things like colds and flus. Most people just stay home, but because of this program, pilots will be forced to go through this just so they aren’t potentially disqualified. And anyone in HR knows that the net effect is that guys will fly sick. Is the company’s position that pilots should never get sick over holidays or during training? Ridiculous. Again, it’s pilot pushing.
This is fair and it’s thanks to the MANY and I mean many pilots who call in sick when they are not sick. I hear it all the time out there. I even have had pilots advise me to call in sick to have more time off. Don’t let sick time go to waste. Go out there and use it. Why would United want to hire people with that mentality ?
Originally Posted by NovemberBravo
Surely you see the holes in this, right?
Specifically, any pilot who happens to be sick during training, or near a holiday, now has to make a doctor’s appointment, spend money on copays, and waste time for things like colds and flus. Most people just stay home, but because of this program, pilots will be forced to go through this just so they aren’t potentially disqualified. And anyone in HR knows that the net effect is that guys will fly sick. Is the company’s position that pilots should never get sick over holidays or during training? Ridiculous. Again, it’s pilot pushing.
02-17-2020, 03:39 PM
#19
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 1,358
[QUOTE=XJTFO;2978880]
This is fair and it’s thanks to the MANY and I mean many pilots who call in sick when they are not sick. I hear it all the time out there. I even have had pilots advise me to call in sick to have more time off. Don’t let sick time go to waste. Go out there and use it. Why would United want to hire people with that mentality ?
United probably doesn’t like that attitude, but sick time is a negotiated part of our total compensation package. I’m not walking out of here with a single hour in my bank when I retire. I’ll never understand those people who fly the last year for free by retiring with 800+ hours in their bank. I need to get my bank built up should something big happen, but it’s hard to do when the fish are biting.
Originally Posted by Guppydriver95
This is fair and it’s thanks to the MANY and I mean many pilots who call in sick when they are not sick. I hear it all the time out there. I even have had pilots advise me to call in sick to have more time off. Don’t let sick time go to waste. Go out there and use it. Why would United want to hire people with that mentality ?
02-18-2020, 03:09 AM
#20
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Posts: 55
[QUOTE=Itsajob;2978890]
United probably doesn’t like that attitude, but sick time is a negotiated part of our total compensation package. I’m not walking out of here with a single hour in my bank when I retire. I’ll never understand those people who fly the last year for free by retiring with 800+ hours in their bank. I need to get my bank built up should something big happen, but it’s hard to do when the fish are biting.
At some point some dignity, self-respect and integrity should enter the equation. Is It worth trading these things for any amount of money?
Originally Posted by XJTFO
United probably doesn’t like that attitude, but sick time is a negotiated part of our total compensation package. I’m not walking out of here with a single hour in my bank when I retire. I’ll never understand those people who fly the last year for free by retiring with 800+ hours in their bank. I need to get my bank built up should something big happen, but it’s hard to do when the fish are biting.
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