C12 Candidate Torres
11-24-2019, 05:50 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by EWRflyr
Sorry, but this is a weak argument and easy scapegoat. The NC works FOR the MEC. The MEC gives direction to the NC on what they want done at the negotiating table. The NC brings back to the MEC the company proposals for further direction or the jigsaw piece that will solve the issue based on the MECs prior direction. IF a TA gets out to the pilots it’s with the backing of the majority of the MEC who are satisfied that the NC did the job they were directed to do by the MEC. Looking for someone to blame if there is a “no” vote as you describe? Look no further than the elected reps. I for one will never blame the NC for the product the MEC has final approval over for membership ratification. It’s obvious that there are those around the table who are unwilling or too scared to own this decision which is their responsibility as elected representatives of the pilots. Don’t fall for the trap of not holding your reps accountable and scapegoating the NC as some of them would love to see the pilot group do. Nope. The buck stops with them not the NC.
11-25-2019, 05:33 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by RJDio
I’ve seen how the MEC and NC seem to be slowly changing the goal and expectations of scope, subtlety. I just wasn’t sure if the candidates in C12 were running on that platform. I’m a C34 guy.
I am too old for this crap.
Return the dignity, honor, career progression, and career expectations to the profession - drive the results you were hired to do, or- move over rover and let Jimmy take over.
Enough of the weakness. Be strong and act strong.
Seriously, if we do have MEC folks and NC people in there considering such lunacy and insanity they should gladly step a side. It may take 4 to 6 leadership changes to get the right mix of bold leadership, but I would support candidates that support bringing back the profession, holding the line on scope, and improving career progression and career expectations.
I don't see hospitals out sourcing doctors. Stop the out sourcing of our jobs, and save the profession.
11-25-2019, 05:45 AM
#33
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Originally Posted by EWRflyr
Sorry, but this is a weak argument and easy scapegoat. The NC works FOR the MEC. The MEC gives direction to the NC on what they want done at the negotiating table. The NC brings back to the MEC the company proposals for further direction or the jigsaw piece that will solve the issue based on the MECs prior direction. IF a TA gets out to the pilots it’s with the backing of the majority of the MEC who are satisfied that the NC did the job they were directed to do by the MEC. Looking for someone to blame if there is a “no” vote as you describe? Look no further than the elected reps. I for one will never blame the NC for the product the MEC has final approval over for membership ratification. It’s obvious that there are those around the table who are unwilling or too scared to own this decision which is their responsibility as elected representatives of the pilots. Don’t fall for the trap of not holding your reps accountable and scapegoating the NC as some of them would love to see the pilot group do. Nope. The buck stops with them not the NC.
Have we forgotten the critical votes of Norm Gustitus and Dan Sebastianelli at CAL? Major screw up! And, we owe PBS to them.
They were elected on a special election to fill the roles of recalled reps from IAH, Stone and Shoemaker.
These two clowns actually voted YES to implement PBS even though we had no understanding of it and it was brought about by a contract vote with section 25 (the scheduling section) missing. That vote should have either not occurred, or the pilots should have been allowed to read it and vote on it. shame on them!
Absolutely insane for an MEC to vote on something like that. It wasn't what the pilots wanted and it got implemented anyway. It wasn't what we were expecting, but we got screwed with it. A 750 million dollar concession turned into a 1.4 billion dollar give back and now that legacy lives on today in the UAL contract.
Lesson: know what the character is of the people you send to the MEC. Company stooges and scab sympathizers will always put management's wants above the pilots needs.
That section is the most important section in the contract. It has major implications on our pay. Why couldn't the pilots vote on that? I mean we voted on a "BLANK" section 25. That should infer we should at some point be allowed to vote on section 25 when it's ready to be reviewed. It's like Nancy Pelosi saying "pass it first, and read it later" regarding the Affordable Care act (Obama-care).
We need to be alert for screw-jobs like these. Anyone playing hide the salami with the scope section will have hell to pay. They will own their vote, and their names will be written in the book of honor, or the book of shame. Sebastianelli and Gustitus are in the later and not the former.
11-25-2019, 06:22 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by RJDio
The cartoon videos put out by the MEC about a year ago talking about our collective need to ensure “express” is staffed to keep feeding mainline and the pilot shortage.
The straw man argument of the CRJ 550 threat. Yes the company can add dozens , if not hundreds, of them. But where are they going to get from. Bombardier doesn’t produce them anymore. They sold the crj line to Mitsubishi, which afaik, has no plans to fire up the production line. Most of the crj 700’s that flew as uax are now in delta and American colors (not sitting in a desert). Mesa and go jet have maybe 50 to convert. Yet they presented it as a real threat in one of the negotiations update, which is intellectually dishonest.
The straw man argument of the CRJ 550 threat. Yes the company can add dozens , if not hundreds, of them. But where are they going to get from. Bombardier doesn’t produce them anymore. They sold the crj line to Mitsubishi, which afaik, has no plans to fire up the production line. Most of the crj 700’s that flew as uax are now in delta and American colors (not sitting in a desert). Mesa and go jet have maybe 50 to convert. Yet they presented it as a real threat in one of the negotiations update, which is intellectually dishonest.
Exactly
55 total 700s to be converted to 550
Not a thread and I hope the MEC and NC don’t fall for it and consider it thread
Chicken s.... plan by management
NO to scope relief otherwise the recalls will be massive
11-25-2019, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
Phone calls to your reps stating that now might help avoid a lot of wasted time, effort and contractual value.
They know
Emergency LEC meeting with an agenda item their recall and whoever is there votes
It’s simple request and it will pass as an agenda item because I will personally bring 30-40 people in the meeting ,,,it may be tough to give them the actual boot during the voting, but 51 percent is doable !
11-25-2019, 09:15 AM
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I must be missing something here. If our elected reps wanted the NC to relax our scope language, they would have, and we’d already have a MEC approved TA to shoot down. We aren’t close to a TA because the MEC and NC are holding the line, not because they’re weak. This just seems like those who read a bunch of hidden meaning into the Christmas card last year.
11-25-2019, 02:52 PM
#38
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Originally Posted by Sniper66
Exactly
55 total 700s to be converted to 550
Not a thread and I hope the MEC and NC don’t fall for it and consider it thread
Chicken s.... plan by management
NO to scope relief otherwise the recalls will be massive
55 total 700s to be converted to 550
Not a thread and I hope the MEC and NC don’t fall for it and consider it thread
Chicken s.... plan by management
NO to scope relief otherwise the recalls will be massive
11-25-2019, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by baseball
I don't see hospitals out sourcing doctors. Stop the out sourcing of our jobs, and save the profession.
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