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KonaJoe 01-04-2020 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by High on sky (Post 2951363)
Human pilots are the leading cause of hull losses.

Most hull losses that are blamed on pilot error occurred because of a malfunction that was mishandled. You'd have to assume that the future automation could manage the same malfunction better.


Originally Posted by DarinFred (Post 2951389)
Human pilots are also the leading cause of hull saves, much outnumbering hull losses.

THIS!

Grumble 01-04-2020 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by KonaJoe (Post 2951397)
Most hull losses that are blamed on pilot error occurred because of a malfunction that was mishandled. You'd have to assume that the future automation could manage the same malfunction better.


THIS!

Mic drop....

itsmytime 01-04-2020 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by Legacy500 (Post 2950720)

I’m not too concerned yet. Once they eliminate engineers and fully automate trains, I’ll take notice

Agreed. My order of magnitude:

Self driving cars, and I mean mainstream, not one or two Tesla’s in LA, or Phoenix, but running around the Midwest in snow and ice like today’s cars do, I’ll take notice.

Once freight trains with their hazardous chemicals, that can wipe out a whole town are manless, I’ll grow concerned.

Once it hits the cargo airlines, I’ll panic.

High on sky 01-05-2020 03:20 AM


Originally Posted by DarinFred (Post 2951389)
Human pilots are also the leading cause of hull saves, much outnumbering hull losses.


Originally Posted by KonaJoe (Post 2951397)
Most hull losses that are blamed on pilot error occurred because of a malfunction that was mishandled. You'd have to assume that the future automation could manage the same malfunction better.


THIS!

I see. So recovering from errors that are human induced is the gold standard? Maybe in today’s world but not the future’s.

Humans are the weakest link in the accident chain.

dustrpilot 01-05-2020 03:50 AM

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ource=url_link

Not a short read but, I thought interesting


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crewdawg 01-05-2020 04:45 AM


Originally Posted by High on sky (Post 2951495)
So recovering from errors that are human induced is the gold standard?

Were the 737Max issues pilot induced? Didn't we have similar incidents on U.S. carriers that were a non event because the pilots flipped the trim switch disconnect (or the Lion Air incident)?

JoePatroni 01-05-2020 04:54 AM


Originally Posted by High on sky (Post 2951495)
I see. So recovering from errors that are human induced is the gold standard? Maybe in today’s world but not the future’s.

Humans are the weakest link in the accident chain.

How do you think the robot would have done flying Sully’s plane?

High on sky 01-05-2020 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2951519)
Were the 737Max issues pilot induced? Didn't we have similar incidents on U.S. carriers that were a non event because the pilots flipped the trim switch disconnect (or the Lion Air incident)?

While the 737MAXs had some seriously flawed human factors assumptions built in to MCAS, I agree the two crashes should have been avoidable. But that’s my point. It was an incorrect response by HUMAN pilots to a malfunction of one system. Boeing has a prescribed response to the failure these aircraft experienced. And prescribed responses are something computers can do with much better accuracy than humans.

To have such hubris that US pilots are immune from such mistakes invites disaster. We all mistakes. Every flight. Every day. CRM and TEM trap most mistakes but it only takes a few holes to line up to have an accident.


Originally Posted by JoePatroni (Post 2951525)
How do you think the robot would have done flying Sully’s plane?

How do you think Sully would have done if it had been solid IMC?

JoePatroni 01-05-2020 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by High on sky (Post 2951546)
While the 737MAXs had some seriously flawed human factors assumptions built in to MCAS, I agree the two crashes should have been avoidable. But that’s my point. It was an incorrect response by HUMAN pilots to a malfunction of one system. Boeing has a prescribed response to the failure these aircraft experienced. And prescribed responses are something computers can do with much better accuracy than humans.

To have such hubris that US pilots are immune from such mistakes invites disaster. We all mistakes. Every flight. Every day. CRM and TEM trap most mistakes but it only takes a few holes to line up to have an accident.



How do you think Sully would have done if it had been solid IMC?

I’m fairly certain he would have still landed in the Hudson, not sure what that has to do with a robot.

DarinFred 01-05-2020 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by High on sky (Post 2951546)
To have such hubris that US pilots are immune from such mistakes invites disaster. We all mistakes. Every flight. Every day. CRM and TEM trap most mistakes but it only takes a few holes to line up to have an accident.

Nobody is saying humans are immune. What I’m saying is that your $9/hr software programmer in India has a long way to go to guarantee the results of a competent crew.


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