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Originally Posted by JoePatroni
(Post 2951555)
I’m fairly certain he would have still landed in the Hudson, not sure what that has to do with a robot.
We are a funny bunch for sure. |
Originally Posted by High on sky
(Post 2951495)
I see. So recovering from errors that are human induced is the gold standard? Maybe in today’s world but not the future’s.
Humans are the weakest link in the accident chain. The latest trend of crashes proves one thing clearly. Ab-initio programs are detrimental to safety. In other words: less experience means more crashy. That is a case where you can argue the weakest link is the pilot. And even those crashes had malfunctions. How would an aircraft with no pitot data land itself? (Air France). Even in the future? Yet it was totally flyable by an experienced pilot. The one who crashed it was a 1500hr ab-initio baby. Humans the weakest link? Your copies of William Langeweische articles must be really stuck together. |
What happens when there is cabin fire, and the nearest airport is a 8,000' GA field with no instrument approaches. Will hal be able to make that work?
How about when a main landing gear fails to lock. Will hal do a low approach to let the tower check out out? Will it troubleshoot until bingo fuel, ignoring the fact that the bingo was based on the lower fuel burn of having the gear up? Will it pick a longer runway, touching down on the side of the good bogie? |
Originally Posted by detpilot
(Post 2951672)
Will HAL be able to make that work?
At some point in the future when the technology will allow HAL to perform with demonstrated capabilities better than a human, there will be pilots that vehemently object to HAL taking over and will do all they can to prevent it. |
Originally Posted by HuggyU2
(Post 2951696)
It does not matter.
At some point in the future when the technology will allow HAL to perform with demonstrated capabilities better than a human, there will be pilots that vehemently object to HAL taking over and will do all they can to prevent it. |
If the premise that humans are fallable and the weak link... aren’t humans the one programming Hal? Ergo isn’t Hal susceptible to the same human failings? Only now there isn’t another layer in the cockpit to protect Hal’s mistakes or shortcomings.
Oh by the way, there’s no such thing as a hack proof network... so the idea of remote control goes out the window. The next argument is for single pilot ops? We went from four engines, to three to two for the same reasons we went from four pilots to two... automation and technological advances, gains in efficiency. Why don’t we have single engine airliners? |
Originally Posted by Grumble
(Post 2951708)
The next argument is for single pilot ops? We went from four engines, to three to two for the same reasons we went from four pilots to two... automation and technological advances, gains in efficiency. Why don’t we have single engine airliners?
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
(Post 2951714)
We’d still need to pay some minimum wage intern to ride around to wake us up when we doze off. This job gets pretty boring as is, sitting there by yourself would be mind numbing.
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Originally Posted by HuggyU2
(Post 2951696)
It does not matter.
At some point in the future when the technology will allow HAL to perform with demonstrated capabilities better than a human, there will be pilots that vehemently object to HAL taking over and will do all they can to prevent it. |
Originally Posted by detpilot
(Post 2951672)
the nearest airport is a 8,000' GA field with no instrument approaches.
Originally Posted by detpilot
(Post 2951672)
How about when a main landing gear fails to lock. Will hal do a low approach to let the tower check out out?
Originally Posted by detpilot
(Post 2951672)
Will it troubleshoot until bingo fuel, ignoring the fact that the bingo was based on the lower fuel burn of having the gear up? Will it pick a longer runway, touching down on the side of the good bogie?
Sure we can try to come up with all the possible scenarios where a human pilot is better, but the programers will think of the same scenarios and will program the same response. There WILL be unthinkable scenarios outside the limits of the programming, but then you have to wonder if the average pilot would do better and even if they could, odds are the safety record on a whole would be better than human pilots. 1549 is a perfect example. Sim tests showed that the flight COULD have returned to LGA if you remove human reaction time. Lots of the pilots who attempted this failed however. Even though the crew of 1549 did an amazing job, a computer could have done better simply because it would have almost no reaction time and could troubleshoot the problem while executing a perfect flight path adjusting for the exact gross weight and winds. But there is no need to worry, pilotless planes won't be a threat because to make a pilotless plane that is better than a human pilot would require lots of money and more importantly, it would require the entire world to rebuild the airspace system. Considering how long it took the FAA to integrate GPS, the ADS-B out debacle, and the fact that some countries still insist on using meters I'm not too worried. |
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