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Old 01-04-2020 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by High on sky
Human pilots are the leading cause of hull losses.
Most hull losses that are blamed on pilot error occurred because of a malfunction that was mishandled. You'd have to assume that the future automation could manage the same malfunction better.

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Human pilots are also the leading cause of hull saves, much outnumbering hull losses.
THIS!

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Old 01-04-2020 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by KonaJoe
Most hull losses that are blamed on pilot error occurred because of a malfunction that was mishandled. You'd have to assume that the future automation could manage the same malfunction better.


THIS!
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Old 01-04-2020 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Legacy500

I’m not too concerned yet. Once they eliminate engineers and fully automate trains, I’ll take notice
Agreed. My order of magnitude:

Self driving cars, and I mean mainstream, not one or two Tesla’s in LA, or Phoenix, but running around the Midwest in snow and ice like today’s cars do, I’ll take notice.

Once freight trains with their hazardous chemicals, that can wipe out a whole town are manless, I’ll grow concerned.

Once it hits the cargo airlines, I’ll panic.
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Old 01-05-2020 | 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by DarinFred
Human pilots are also the leading cause of hull saves, much outnumbering hull losses.
Originally Posted by KonaJoe
Most hull losses that are blamed on pilot error occurred because of a malfunction that was mishandled. You'd have to assume that the future automation could manage the same malfunction better.


THIS!
I see. So recovering from errors that are human induced is the gold standard? Maybe in today’s world but not the future’s.

Humans are the weakest link in the accident chain.
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Old 01-05-2020 | 03:50 AM
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ource=url_link

Not a short read but, I thought interesting


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Old 01-05-2020 | 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by High on sky
So recovering from errors that are human induced is the gold standard?
Were the 737Max issues pilot induced? Didn't we have similar incidents on U.S. carriers that were a non event because the pilots flipped the trim switch disconnect (or the Lion Air incident)?
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Old 01-05-2020 | 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by High on sky
I see. So recovering from errors that are human induced is the gold standard? Maybe in today’s world but not the future’s.

Humans are the weakest link in the accident chain.
How do you think the robot would have done flying Sully’s plane?
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Old 01-05-2020 | 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
Were the 737Max issues pilot induced? Didn't we have similar incidents on U.S. carriers that were a non event because the pilots flipped the trim switch disconnect (or the Lion Air incident)?
While the 737MAXs had some seriously flawed human factors assumptions built in to MCAS, I agree the two crashes should have been avoidable. But that’s my point. It was an incorrect response by HUMAN pilots to a malfunction of one system. Boeing has a prescribed response to the failure these aircraft experienced. And prescribed responses are something computers can do with much better accuracy than humans.

To have such hubris that US pilots are immune from such mistakes invites disaster. We all mistakes. Every flight. Every day. CRM and TEM trap most mistakes but it only takes a few holes to line up to have an accident.

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How do you think the robot would have done flying Sully’s plane?
How do you think Sully would have done if it had been solid IMC?
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Old 01-05-2020 | 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by High on sky
While the 737MAXs had some seriously flawed human factors assumptions built in to MCAS, I agree the two crashes should have been avoidable. But that’s my point. It was an incorrect response by HUMAN pilots to a malfunction of one system. Boeing has a prescribed response to the failure these aircraft experienced. And prescribed responses are something computers can do with much better accuracy than humans.

To have such hubris that US pilots are immune from such mistakes invites disaster. We all mistakes. Every flight. Every day. CRM and TEM trap most mistakes but it only takes a few holes to line up to have an accident.



How do you think Sully would have done if it had been solid IMC?
I’m fairly certain he would have still landed in the Hudson, not sure what that has to do with a robot.
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Old 01-05-2020 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by High on sky
To have such hubris that US pilots are immune from such mistakes invites disaster. We all mistakes. Every flight. Every day. CRM and TEM trap most mistakes but it only takes a few holes to line up to have an accident.
Nobody is saying humans are immune. What I’m saying is that your $9/hr software programmer in India has a long way to go to guarantee the results of a competent crew.
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