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eagleatr 01-06-2022 05:40 PM

There have been rumors of people paying others to take the test in the hopes of a guaranteed pass.

100percentshots 01-06-2022 06:00 PM

Ive tried some mock questions online,
such as do you like mess? - yes i like mess but what if UAL doesn't like me to be messy?
Should I be honest or think of what the questions implicate my messy personality?
These kind of questions are so tricky!!

Also, are they T/F or strongly agree/disagree questions on a scale?

glassnpowder98 01-06-2022 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3347868)
Do they ensure the clear container only has water in it, and not Everclear?

That was the secret to my success, sipped at 5 question intervals so I wouldn’t remember if I wanted to be a race car driver or not. Guess I can no longer charge $200 for my Hogan prep course

JTwift 01-06-2022 11:24 PM


Originally Posted by 100percentshots (Post 3348021)
Ive tried some mock questions online,
such as do you like mess? - yes i like mess but what if UAL doesn't like me to be messy?
Should I be honest or think of what the questions implicate my messy personality?
These kind of questions are so tricky!!

Also, are they T/F or strongly agree/disagree questions on a scale?

pretty much entirely scale of 1-4 type. No neutral option, so you at least have to fall somewhere slightly agreeing or slightly disagreeing.

100percentshots 01-07-2022 03:44 AM

I have read previously a cluster of different questions would be worded in various ways to ask the same thing - such as do you like skydiving / do you enjoy racing cars / are you a risk taker etc... all are about risk taking. So if i extremely like sky diving, should i extremely like race cars to be consistent in my answer? But what if i am absolutely not a risk taker yet i enjoy racing cars.... How do you be truthful without sounding inconsistent??

NewGuy01 01-07-2022 03:50 AM


Originally Posted by 100percentshots (Post 3348162)
I have read previously a cluster of different questions would be worded in various ways to ask the same thing - such as do you like skydiving / do you enjoy racing cars / are you a risk taker etc... all are about risk taking. So if i extremely like sky diving, should i extremely like race cars to be consistent in my answer? But what if i am absolutely not a risk taker yet i enjoy racing cars.... How do you be truthful without sounding inconsistent??


It sounds like you have to just imagine your life as a vanilla personality that HR wants to hire. Then just stay consistent. You might personally enjoy skydiving but those are the kind of subtitles that don’t fit into a vanilla existence.


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dmeg13021 01-07-2022 05:06 AM

^^^*
DO NOT LIKE

Do not try to conform to ANYTHING except what you actually feel.

I enjoy race cars
i do not want to be a race car driver

This is consistent (if truthful)

JTwift 01-07-2022 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by 100percentshots (Post 3348162)
I have read previously a cluster of different questions would be worded in various ways to ask the same thing - such as do you like skydiving / do you enjoy racing cars / are you a risk taker etc... all are about risk taking. So if i extremely like sky diving, should i extremely like race cars to be consistent in my answer? But what if i am absolutely not a risk taker yet i enjoy racing cars.... How do you be truthful without sounding inconsistent??

you’re overthinking this. Just do it and answer honestly. I think the issue people have is they forget a previous answer because they’re trying to game the system. There are two “tests.” I noticed repeat questions that were maybe worded a tad differently.

if you like something now and then don’t like it in 20 minutes when you get that question again, you’re inconsistent. You’re lying to try and say what you think they want to hear. If you tell the truth, you don’t have to remember the lie.

Incipient 01-07-2022 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by 100percentshots (Post 3348162)
I have read previously a cluster of different questions would be worded in various ways to ask the same thing - such as do you like skydiving / do you enjoy racing cars / are you a risk taker etc... all are about risk taking. So if i extremely like sky diving, should i extremely like race cars to be consistent in my answer? But what if i am absolutely not a risk taker yet i enjoy racing cars.... How do you be truthful without sounding inconsistent??

Yeah way overthinking this. It is, in fact, possible to want to race cars, but not like skydiving or not want to try it. Just because you like one kind of thrill, doesn't mean you like all of them. Just answer honestly- either you like skydiving or not. That's probably not the make or break question.
The truth is, I am an introvert, and I answered as such and still got past the Hogan just fine. You don't need to be extroverted, or be vanilla, or be whatever you think United wants, because I guarantee you don't know. The hogan was calibrated towards real people here that initially took it (and had nothing to lose). Just be yourself. I still would be the best version of yourself - no, you don't resent everybody and hate your parents, but do people occasionally **** you off? I mean hard to believe there's anybody out there that could truly answer no, and if you do, you're gonna trip it for dishonesty. Yes, we have all told a lie... don't overthink it.

myrkridia 01-07-2022 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by Incipient (Post 3348562)
Yeah way overthinking this. It is, in fact, possible to want to race cars, but not like skydiving or not want to try it. Just because you like one kind of thrill, doesn't mean you like all of them. Just answer honestly- either you like skydiving or not. That's probably not the make or break question.
The truth is, I am an introvert, and I answered as such and still got past the Hogan just fine. You don't need to be extroverted, or be vanilla, or be whatever you think United wants, because I guarantee you don't know. The hogan was calibrated towards real people here that initially took it (and had nothing to lose). Just be yourself. I still would be the best version of yourself - no, you don't resent everybody and hate your parents, but do people occasionally **** you off? I mean hard to believe there's anybody out there that could truly answer no, and if you do, you're gonna trip it for dishonesty. Yes, we have all told a lie... don't overthink it.

The problem with the "just be yourself and be honest advice" is it does nothing for the people who know they are a good fit based on their experience with the company, recommendations etc and then fail this test. And prospective pilots hear these stories in preparation for their interview. Maybe you are naturally good at taking this test but that doesn't apply to everyone.

The thing about these personality tests is there are all sorts of different ways one could interpret a question like "I consider myself a risk taker." Absent a time qualifier like 'always' or 'never' it's useful to insert "most of the time" at the beginning of the statement to avoid getting lost in misinterpreting this question as some risk you took while in college or obscure moment in your life.

Another aspect of the Hogan (and many other personality tests for that matter) is it was designed with the premise that who you are in your personal life accurately reflects who you will be as an employee, so they try to ask personal questions like "I like going to parties" or "I enjoy reading a book alone." The problem is many of us are very different in our personal lives compared to how we conduct ourselves on the job. At work I care deeply about being organized, timely, and what people think about me. When I'm home with my kids I'll accept chaos, often be late and not sweat it and could care less about a neighbor seeing me in my yard work clothes. I'll echo the advice stated earlier of adding "at work" at the end of the statement. It won't work perfectly but when I read questions about wanting to be alone or being comfortable being the center of attention I look at those much differently while at work (where safety, teamwork, customer service, etc are all high priorities).

So you shouldn't lie in the test, you should answer honestly as it applies to YOU, not someone else or what you think United wants or your concept of a vanilla personality. But you should absolutely go in with consistent and adequate framing for the job you're applying for.

Signed, someone who passed the technical and HR but failed the Hogan on the same day. Then went on to pass other personality tests for other carriers.


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