Age 67+ Discussion
01-09-2020 | 06:28 PM
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If 3% actually left at 60, my guess is that a just a few more would leave at 65. Most leave because they have to, not because they want to. $300K+ salary, b-fund contributions, medical benefits, 6 weeks vacation, lots of time off....... It’s like crack. People can’t seem to put the pipe down and just walk away.
01-10-2020 | 08:14 AM
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From: Tom’s Whipping boy.
Why? Oh never mind. Let me help you out.
Some guy, who is old and wants to continue the great ride a couple more years and cares more about himself and his family than his first officers, or some not yet hired pilot, is gonna “look in the mirror”, and say...”hey I look a,little hypocritical”, so I’ll just change. Even though he knows he’s been a hypocrite for a long time. In fact the last time the age rule change was debated, and he opposed it because he was an fo or junior NB Captain at the time. And he knows the junior pilots will take the the same position as him when they get close to mandatory retirement age?
That about it?
Tilt at windmills much?
Some guy, who is old and wants to continue the great ride a couple more years and cares more about himself and his family than his first officers, or some not yet hired pilot, is gonna “look in the mirror”, and say...”hey I look a,little hypocritical”, so I’ll just change. Even though he knows he’s been a hypocrite for a long time. In fact the last time the age rule change was debated, and he opposed it because he was an fo or junior NB Captain at the time. And he knows the junior pilots will take the the same position as him when they get close to mandatory retirement age?
That about it?
Tilt at windmills much?
01-10-2020 | 08:16 AM
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Why? Oh never mind. Let me help you out.
Some guy, who is old and wants to continue the great ride a couple more years and cares more about himself and his family than his first officers, is gonna “look in the mirror”, and say...”hey I look a,little hypocritical”, so I’ll just change. Even though he knows he’s been a hypocrite for a long time, the last time the age rule change was debated, and he opposed it because he was an fo or junior NB Captain at the time, and the junior pilots will take the the same position as him when they get close to mandatory retirement age?
That about it?
Tilt at windmills much?
Some guy, who is old and wants to continue the great ride a couple more years and cares more about himself and his family than his first officers, is gonna “look in the mirror”, and say...”hey I look a,little hypocritical”, so I’ll just change. Even though he knows he’s been a hypocrite for a long time, the last time the age rule change was debated, and he opposed it because he was an fo or junior NB Captain at the time, and the junior pilots will take the the same position as him when they get close to mandatory retirement age?
That about it?
Tilt at windmills much?
01-10-2020 | 08:26 AM
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From: Tom’s Whipping boy.
Well wait a minute. Maybe not. Maybe I’ll stay a bit longer just to hear some whiners like you, continue their bellyaching.
You seem to enjoy it so much.
01-10-2020 | 08:37 AM
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Good luck with whatever you decide, buy that boat now....67 should be right around the corner.
01-10-2020 | 11:04 AM
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The fractionals have always been without a mandatory retirement age. It's worth getting data from them before going down this road and I hope future policy makers are open minded enough to do just that.
NetJets has a union committee devoted to cockpit issues that stem from those "unfit for duty". I also believe the average age most pilots "medical out" is around 65, although some I think approach 80 years old.
Removing a mandated retirement age is dangerous territory, however greed and arrogance have never been concerned with safety.
NetJets has a union committee devoted to cockpit issues that stem from those "unfit for duty". I also believe the average age most pilots "medical out" is around 65, although some I think approach 80 years old.
Removing a mandated retirement age is dangerous territory, however greed and arrogance have never been concerned with safety.
01-10-2020 | 06:36 PM
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From: Tom’s Whipping boy.
One of many cases to point is an airline whose wages and work rules puts them in a spot where they have to hire low experienced pilots with sketchy employment and training history that would push the nose of a heavy jet into a 49 degrees nose down attitude during approach because of a faulty airspeed indication.
We often pay for what we get.
01-10-2020 | 09:08 PM
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From: Guppy.
One of many cases to point is an airline whose wages and work rules puts them in a spot where they have to hire low experienced pilots with sketchy employment and training history that would push the nose of a heavy jet into a 49 degrees nose down attitude during approach because of a faulty airspeed indication.
We often pay for what we get.
We often pay for what we get.
01-10-2020 | 09:32 PM
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Well lets step back for a moment and see what other safety impotant professions / jobs have any type of mandated age retirement?
1. flight attendant. No limit at all correct? Open the door at recurrent and you're good.
2. Dr / Md. not age restrictions that i know of. My AME is 71 , I had a surgery a few years ago and the surgeon was the #1 guy in his field at 68 yo.
3. Senator govt official.
4. Businessperson - the CEO of my private airline is 85 .
5. parent. 14 maybe - .....
1. flight attendant. No limit at all correct? Open the door at recurrent and you're good.
2. Dr / Md. not age restrictions that i know of. My AME is 71 , I had a surgery a few years ago and the surgeon was the #1 guy in his field at 68 yo.
3. Senator govt official.
4. Businessperson - the CEO of my private airline is 85 .
5. parent. 14 maybe - .....
Last edited by tomgoodman; 01-13-2020 at 01:11 PM. Reason: Political
01-10-2020 | 10:29 PM
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From: Guppy.
Well lets step back for a moment and see what other safety impotant professions / jobs have any type of mandated age retirement?
1. flight attendant. No limit at all correct? Open the door at recurrent and you're good.
2. Dr / Md. not age restrictions that i know of. My AME is 71 , I had a surgery a few years ago and the surgeon was the #1 guy in his field at 68 yo.
3. Senator govt official.
4. Businessperson - the CEO of my private airline is 85 .
5. parent. 14 maybe - .....
1. flight attendant. No limit at all correct? Open the door at recurrent and you're good.
2. Dr / Md. not age restrictions that i know of. My AME is 71 , I had a surgery a few years ago and the surgeon was the #1 guy in his field at 68 yo.
3. Senator govt official.
4. Businessperson - the CEO of my private airline is 85 .
5. parent. 14 maybe - .....
Last edited by tomgoodman; 01-13-2020 at 01:12 PM. Reason: Political quote
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