Problem is the guys may not be necessarily falling for it (especially since it makes no sense because that's the whole point of an HDO), they might just be intimidated as probies, which scheduling knows -- making it a particularly nasty thing to do. If true, I hope this has been nipped in the bud by the MEC. This is the kind of stuff my regional used to pull.

When I was new, and it has been several years so I guess things have changed, I recall scheduling being very professional and helpful when I sat reserve. Sad to see this.

5-E-6 Types of Reserve Days Off

5-E-6-a RDO (Regular Day Off): a reserve day off, found only in a Global Reserve’s schedule,
that may be disrupted for the assignment of a Global Trip.

5-E-6-b HDO (Holy Day Off): a reserve day off that may not be disrupted for the assignment of a trip.

5-E-6-c FDO (Flexible Day Off): a reserve day off that, for a Basic or Global Reserve, may be disrupted for the assignment of a Basic Trip and, for a Global Reserve, may be disrupted for the assignment of a Global Trip. Without the concurrence of the Pilot and the Company, an FDO may only be placed on the first day of a period of days off and may not be placed after a period of six (6) days of reserve availability or on a golden day off as defined in Section 5-E-9.

5-E-6-d VDO (Voluntary Day Off): a reserve day off, voluntarily converted from RDO, HDO, or FDO, that may be disrupted for the assignment of a Trip or for the assignment to Long Call, Short Call, or Field Standby.

Since the Oscar out Kirby in announcement I’ve seen a drastic shift in Maintence deficiencies being deferred instead of fixed. Now this reserve BS. I hope it’s just an anomaly. But I’m afraid we are seeing the start of some seriously bad stuff starting to happen.

I was off for two weeks and when I returned it was like a whole other airline. A shocking difference in a very short time.

This topic needs it’s own thread for widest dissemination. Also, it’d be worth a push to test to ask the CPOs to help clarify that this assignment is illegal and cover the pilots who refuse them. At least you’d know if it’s a rouge scheduler or a coordinated push.

Know the basics of the contract. Challenge the scheduler. If you get push back then PDR to the Hotline. That’s what we do.

Its not right, it just is. Guys and Gals, the average experience of the line scheduler you talk with is........not much most of the time.

Turn over is huge.

The average supervisor is barely more knowledgeable as well.

PDR.alpa.org

We gat illegal assignments and reassignments removed all the time. Can’t help unless you use the resource available to you.

Yes, for probation pilots, I get the angst. All pilots just be polite in your interactions and submit the PDR if there is a legality question you can’t answer on your own.

Lee

And that goes for FAR or UPA legality.

Every UAL Pilot should read thru sections 5 and 20 as it relates to your situation. Reserve or LH, etc.

Just take a few minutes sometime. And yes I hope those sections are improved in the next contract.

Lee

Better yet,

”I respectfully refuse this assignment, you’ll need to get the flight ops manager to order me to fly it.” Then include that managers name when you file your grievance.

I've used PDR hotline last 2 times when crew desk tried to give me assignment. They were wrong both times and had to remove the trip.

We generally are not good at enforcing the contract. This is why they fish...

Kirby has def changed things as far as reserve goes...im not sure if he is directly involved. But, i think there will be a breaking point when people will stop giving a sh**.

^This^
I agree that sometimes it's just a new scheduler who may not know, may have 'forgotten' or is having a bad day. I "try" and give them the benefit of the doubt.
That being said, it is silly season.. ie, 20 days and counting of no raise.. no new contract...

It's one thing to mess with a newbie who might not understand the definition of HDO.. but are they doing it to the Captains on reserve too? THAT might tell us something.
IF it is only FO's (ie.. newhires) Maybe a complaint to HR?!

YES, our Contract is huge with some loopholes that are learned the hard way. Unfortunately the union just doesn't want to put out continuous comm on some of these subjects even though we are literally getting close to a thousand new pilots a year.
Kudos to Lee and all the others who man the PDR committee. Used them often and am always learning.
Like-
MiniPack?!
Not being legal for a trip if an extension will now be required to make you legal?!
Not being required to answer the phone on your off duty time!!

FS, FP & FtC
Always
Motch

Back on topic:
1. Can’t wait to see an end to the Greyhound busdriver/regional jet pilot leather jackets. Those who continue to wear these will look about as stupid as the legacy wing wearing crowd and the slick ties, none of which I banter with/make small talk with on vans/terminal area etc.
2. While I don’t love the hat brass, the wings are fine and obviously some thought was put into the design.
3. The tie looks sharp (new blue striped one) and I like the thin stripes. Will be unmistakably ours.
4. Hopeful the Brooks Brothers blazer/pant material holds up well and is as wrinkle resistant as advertised in the update. Nothing like getting out of a van and seeing the other pilot (who wore the blazer in the van) all wrinkled up before the duty day has even begun.

change is difficult. We can do it.