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Four Strings 03-01-2020 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2987220)
Because reserve sucks, and a lot of us have side hustles, mil options, and/or don’t live pay check to pay check.

Bingo. Think I’m going to go live on the beach for a month. 😎

Dave Fitzgerald 03-02-2020 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2987220)
Because reserve sucks, and a lot of us have side hustles, mil options, and/or don’t live pay check to pay check.

That's a great idea. Take the 50 hr line, go fly for the reserves for a month!

Bat Guano 03-02-2020 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 2987134)
You can volunteer for a 50 hr line, but why would anyone do that?

If you don't want to work, bid a reserve line, get paid 73 hrs, and still do nothing. With all the low time lines, all the line holders will be picking up anything and everything to try to avoid a pay cut.

For that matter, I'm sure the crew desk will continue to build short calls just because they can, and you get paid more on reserve.....if you live in domicile, reserve just became the best thing at UAL.


I did them when they paid 60. It was a pretty sweet gig! Not too thrilled that all of a sudden they're only worth 50. Where did that come from? Sounds concessionary during times of plenty. Hell, the co was in far worse shape back when they paid more.

WRT to bidding reserve instead, given the idiotic numbers of SCs they dole out, I'd rather just take the vaca and put this place in the rearview for the month. Loads to HI are down.

ugleeual 03-02-2020 06:05 PM

I don’t think many takers at 50... if they go to 60 more will bite.

Triumph 03-02-2020 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by ugleeual (Post 2988165)
I don’t think many takers at 50... if they go to 60 more will bite.



Probably doesn’t matter how many takers there are. Eventually, they stop asking and start telling who’s gonna get the 50hr lines.


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No Nonsense 03-02-2020 07:33 PM

20-Q-8 Surplus Reduction Lines at Lesser Guarantee

20-Q-8-a The Company reserves the right to determine the number of Surplus Reduction Lines, if any, within any Category. The Company shall post available Surplus Reduction Lines, and pilots shall then bid on these assignments. Any Surplus Reduction Lines that go unfilled shall be cancelled.

20-Q-8-b All Pilots in a Category where Surplus Reduction Lines are offered are eligible to preference such lines, except those with scheduled vacation, transition training, required training consolidation (transitional, initial or extended monitoring), other leaves of absence, or any sick leave included in Monthly Schedule Preferencing. A Pilot in his base or grace month who is awarded a Surplus Reduction Line and who was awarded recurrent training in the recurrent training bidding process shall be obligated to take his recurrent training and shall be credited with pay in accordance with Section 3-E-1-b, in addition to the fifty (50) hours described in Section 20-Q-8-c.

20-Q-8-c A Pilot shall receive pay at his applicable hourly rate in effect on the date that he receives a Surplus Reduction Line. Such Pilot shall receive fifty (50) hours of pay for each Bid Period he participates in the program, and shall receive all accruals and benefits for each such Bid Period. Such Pilot shall have no flying or availability obligations in any Bid Period in which he participates in the program, except a Pilot who is on reserve the first day of the following Bid Period is still obligated to acknowledge an assignment as required in Section 20-K-7-e.

20-Q-8-d A Pilot awarded a Surplus Reduction Line shall not be eligible to use sick leave during that Bid Period.

20-Q-8-e A Pilot with a Trip that carries inbound time into the surplus reduction Bid Period shall fly the Trip that contains the inbound flight(s) and he shall be paid for the inbound portion of the Trip in addition to the fifty (50) hours of pay described in Section 20-Q-8-c. A Pilot on reserve shall be unavailable for any inbound Trip into any Bid Period in which he participates in this program, unless he is the Only Reserve Available, in which case he may be given an assignment that operates into the first four (4) days of the Surplus Reduction Line Bid Period for a Global Trip, and one (1) day of the Surplus Reduction Line Bid Period for a Basic Trip.

20-Q-8-f During any Bid Period in which Surplus Reduction Lines are offered in a particular Category, no more than fifteen percent (15%) of the Lineholders in that Category can have their awards during Monthly Schedule Preferencing “forced.” A Lineholder’s award is considered “forced” if:
20-Q-8-f-(1) The award is built to minimum days off, or is built within thirty (30) minutes of the upper end of the line construction range that is in use for that Category and Bid Period, and;

20-Q-8-f-(2) Removing any single Trip would improve the score of his Monthly Schedule Preferencing award.

KonaJoe 03-02-2020 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by Bat Guano (Post 2988160)
I did them when they paid 60. It was a pretty sweet gig! Not too thrilled that all of a sudden they're only worth 50. Where did that come from?

From your username, if you want to be specific.

Sixty N Two 03-03-2020 04:35 AM

It will be interesting to see what the LCF/LPA/LCC values are and where the G-lines move for April in PBS system docs. If the LCF is 73 straight down the column for both WB and NB I think this may tell us more about the state of the company’s near term projections than any theories we’ve seen posted here lately. Those with more experience and knowledge may be able to decipher values between min and max line values. I think it’s expected to see WB lines to remain bottomed out for a while, but when the min value lines hit across all NB and bases, that would seem to indicate its really time to be more concerned about what’s plan B, if...

F15andMD11 03-04-2020 12:53 PM

SRL now offered on all fleets. Submit if interested, they'll determine which other fleets will be awarded.
From CRU 04 Mar.

O2pilot 03-04-2020 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by F15andMD11 (Post 2989320)
SRL now offered on all fleets. Submit if interested, they'll determine which other fleets will be awarded.
From CRU 04 Mar.

Next we will announce a JetBlue purchase and they will claim that we are over staffed by 9,000 pilots and propose a 1 for 1 seniority integration.

Just kidding. Nobody would be that stupid.


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