AA has set the bar at a reasonable height to handle this crisis. We had best be right about their same level if not higher. Zero reason we should accept anything less than what AA pilots are offered.

I understand we might need to show the government we are doing a lot of actions to conserve cash. Reduced lines, leave of absence and early outs should be more than adequate to show the govt we are taking the necessary steps to conserve vs taking pay rate cuts.

I hope Insler will communicate exactly what stipulations the govt has placed on a bailout and then allow us to digest what actions our MEC is comfortable presenting us with. Either way I know it’s going to suck, but as a guy with 5 years on property here and 10 years at the regionals I’ve seen a lot of mismanagement of cash over the years by management and because of that I still hold my sign firmly that reads “concession stand is closed”.

Worse aviation event in history and you think there wont be pay cuts. Have there ever been goverment bailouts without pay cuts. This doesn't look good.

I hope you’re right. Damn, I want to be wrong.

However, when Mnuchin hears about Delta guys making $1M, widebody Captains making $120,000 a month at United and First Officers driving Teslas, you know he’s going to balk at giving out billions.

Believe me, if they don’t know it already, I’m sure management will be more than happy to show it to them.

Big John,

You must be new here and not have lived through the lost decade. The answer is no. We still haven't recovered from the last time and you want to give some more?

Bankruptcy? Possibly, but much harder to do now than last time. I'll take my chances with the judge. Management can ask all they want, as many times as they want, they will get the same answer. No.

Certainly sounds and looks like a management troll based on evidence.

The market is still the market. When the economy comes back there will be a certain amount of flying to be done and only a certain number of people that can do it. Until it comes back, nothing else really matters, once it does come back, again nothing really matters...

Lorenzo seems bored all holed up in isolation and setting up APC accounts, still trying to get concessions from pilots even in retirement. Sad!

He/she would if they were serious about completing the task assigned. Start the groundwork early and get a conversation going, that’s most important. Doesn’t matter what the thoughts/beliefs are, just keep getting them to engage in a conversation and it legitimizes the hypothetical A vs B notion. in their heads. It should be easy enough, pilots generally can’t resist weighing in hard on any & everything even when history and sometimes their own gut tells them to shut up. Shoot how many of them still don’t realize a part of why they’re always so spun about the media 24/7? And better yet, this right here is often the loudest among them, they’ll spread it around their cockpits, crewrooms and texts to the others. Would a management troll....oh and you’re not an idiot.


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You’re a troll. This thing is temporary. Why should the pilots give management more ammo for their gun?

I guess you don’t remember Paul Whiteford and Mike Glawe telling us during C2003, “Don’t let it go to the judge.”

Regardless, once you’re in Chapter 11, management tells the judge what they need and the judge gives it to them. Have the laws changed back to where a bankrupt company goes into receivership or does management still call their own shots?

Management still call their own shots. That’s the danger of Chapter 11. There are no pensions to shed onto the government, so management will get what they want in CH11. Hopefully it never gets there.

I've been at this for four decades, furloughed, strike, ESOP, BK, merger and now this.

Two things that bug me.

1. Selfish, egotistical pilots who think it's only about them.
2. Pilots who don't get they have a representative Union which will do their best to cut a deal.

It does no good to discuss what you personally are willing to take, give or whatever here or anywhere. It's not about you there's 13K other pilots with issues who are represented by ALPA.

You may hate what they come up with and quite frankly what they come up with may kill the goose or it might save it for another day. It is what it is.

Oh, and try to tell your FAs or neighbors how bad it was to be paid $95 an hour. They will probably shake their head and walk away.