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Short-term paycuts vs Chapter 11
Everyone,
REHAB VS JAIL Taking short-term paycuts is an issue we’re going to be faced with in the next few days. Short-term paycuts on their own won’t save the corporation, but the government bailout that follows them certainly will. The US government is not going to lend billions of dollars to a primarily unionized industry without gathering scalps first. Will giving up short term paycuts save United? Maybe. I know that if we don’t take them and don’t receive the government bailout, Chapter 11 is assured. I voted NO on every single contract vote we took on C2003 and C2005, and there were a lot. Once you enter Chapter 11 Bankruptcy, the dynamic changes: they’re no longer asking, and it’s a cash grab to pay the banks and themselves. The only people that lose are the employees: I was making $95 per hour with 14 years at United after it was all said and done. If that doesn’t scare the crap out of you, I don’t know what will. Look, Oscar is a good CEO, but I hate the rest of the a**holes (Tilton, Kirby, Goodwin, Dutta, Attarian) that have run this company as much as the next United guy. This time is different: hotels, cafes, bars, restaurants, movements, sports and schools are all affected. Rehab is 90 days and no one is trying to rape you. Well, maybe a little bit. Jail is longer and a hell of a lot rapier. Vote how you have to vote. We just have to make sure we’re getting a fair deal, which means everyone is getting screwed equally. Good luck to us all. Big John |
Extremely suspect join date and post history.
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Not a United guy but...
I think you meant to title this thread “Short-term pay cuts THEN chapter 11.” The cave one has lived in must not have had any contact with the outside world for decades if one thinks that a voluntary cut does anything more than establish the base-line of the bankruptcy ask. |
Originally Posted by cencal83406
(Post 3001052)
Not a United guy but...
I think you meant to title this thread “Short-term pay cuts THEN chapter 11.” The cave one has lived in must not have had any contact with the outside world for decades if one thinks that a voluntary cut does anything more than establish the base-line of the bankruptcy ask. |
Originally Posted by Big John
(Post 3001043)
Everyone,
REHAB VS JAIL Taking short-term paycuts is an issue we’re going to be faced with in the next few days. Short-term paycuts on their own won’t save the corporation, but the government bailout that follows them certainly will. The US government is not going to lend billions of dollars to a primarily unionized industry without gathering scalps first. Will giving up short term paycuts save United? Maybe. I know that if we don’t take them and don’t receive the government bailout, Chapter 11 is assured. I voted NO on every single contract vote we took on C2003 and C2005, and there were a lot. Once you enter Chapter 11 Bankruptcy, the dynamic changes: they’re no longer asking, and it’s a cash grab to pay the banks and themselves. The only people that lose are the employees: I was making $95 per hour with 14 years at United after it was all said and done. If that doesn’t scare the crap out of you, I don’t know what will. Look, Oscar is a good CEO, but I hate the rest of the a**holes (Tilton, Kirby, Goodwin, Dutta, Attarian) that have run this company as much as the next United guy. This time is different: hotels, cafes, bars, restaurants, movements, sports and schools are all affected. Rehab is 90 days and no one is trying to rape you. Well, maybe a little bit. Jail is longer and a hell of a lot rapier. Vote how you have to vote. We just have to make sure we’re getting a fair deal, which means everyone is getting screwed equally. Good luck to us all. Big John |
Originally Posted by Big John
(Post 3001043)
Everyone,
REHAB VS JAIL Taking short-term paycuts is an issue we’re going to be faced with in the next few days. Short-term paycuts on their own won’t save the corporation, but the government bailout that follows them certainly will. The US government is not going to lend billions of dollars to a primarily unionized industry without gathering scalps first. Will giving up short term paycuts save United? Maybe. I know that if we don’t take them and don’t receive the government bailout, Chapter 11 is assured. I voted NO on every single contract vote we took on C2003 and C2005, and there were a lot. Once you enter Chapter 11 Bankruptcy, the dynamic changes: they’re no longer asking, and it’s a cash grab to pay the banks and themselves. The only people that lose are the employees: I was making $95 per hour with 14 years at United after it was all said and done. If that doesn’t scare the crap out of you, I don’t know what will. Look, Oscar is a good CEO, but I hate the rest of the a**holes (Tilton, Kirby, Goodwin, Dutta, Attarian) that have run this company as much as the next United guy. This time is different: hotels, cafes, bars, restaurants, movements, sports and schools are all affected. Rehab is 90 days and no one is trying to rape you. Well, maybe a little bit. Jail is longer and a hell of a lot rapier. Vote how you have to vote. We just have to make sure we’re getting a fair deal, which means everyone is getting screwed equally. Good luck to us all. Big John |
Do not fall for the pay cut scheme! I have unemployment I have the ability to take care of my family even without this job. Ill be fine if laid off! What's the saying? "Full pay to the last day!"
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Management troll.
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Originally Posted by Big John
(Post 3001043)
Everyone,
REHAB VS JAIL Taking short-term paycuts is an issue we’re going to be faced with in the next few days. Short-term paycuts on their own won’t save the corporation, but the government bailout that follows them certainly will. The US government is not going to lend billions of dollars to a primarily unionized industry without gathering scalps first. Will giving up short term paycuts save United? Maybe. I know that if we don’t take them and don’t receive the government bailout, Chapter 11 is assured. I voted NO on every single contract vote we took on C2003 and C2005, and there were a lot. Once you enter Chapter 11 Bankruptcy, the dynamic changes: they’re no longer asking, and it’s a cash grab to pay the banks and themselves. The only people that lose are the employees: I was making $95 per hour with 14 years at United after it was all said and done. If that doesn’t scare the crap out of you, I don’t know what will. Look, Oscar is a good CEO, but I hate the rest of the a**holes (Tilton, Kirby, Goodwin, Dutta, Attarian) that have run this company as much as the next United guy. This time is different: hotels, cafes, bars, restaurants, movements, sports and schools are all affected. Rehab is 90 days and no one is trying to rape you. Well, maybe a little bit. Jail is longer and a hell of a lot rapier. Vote how you have to vote. We just have to make sure we’re getting a fair deal, which means everyone is getting screwed equally. Good luck to us all. Big John |
I respect everyone’s opinions here, except maybe the guy who called me a freaking idiot.
Things to ponder: 1) They already have a baseline for concessions: it’s called C2003 with everyone on the property voting YES, with the exception of 330 guys. 2) Spain just closed their borders. You now need a form to leave your house in France, San Francisco limiting movement. How long before Trump limits FAA airspace? 3) We don’t know what the management ask is yet. I’m not going to vote yes on any POS contract they throw out there like many of you did in 2003 and 2005. 4) If the place goes Chapter 11 anyhow, then you gave concessions a few months early. They can pay you now or pay you later is the way I see it. Big John |
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