Originally Posted by LUVPLANES

True AA and DL have a bigger pool of guys retiring than we do. JetBlue is offering early outs and they have a total of 4,000 pilots, a much younger group than we have. JB in 2020 is retiring 40 pilots, 2021=38, 2022=37, 2023=65, 2024=75. The savings are there, the difference is our MEC does not want to help the bottom of the list.

Originally Posted by Itsajob

I don’t think that it’s fair to say that the MEC doesn’t want to help the bottom of the list. Could it be that they are trying to sell the company on everything short of concessions, but the company won’t listen?

Originally Posted by Aquaticus

I am not emotional about potential furlough but I do know people have a long memory. When I was hired, they told us in indoc that we were going to quickly outnumber the old guard here and we (us and management) had a chance to change the atmosphere. With these continual blunders and us potentially furloughing more than American and Delta it seems like the next 30 will be just like the past 30. You said this was a numbers game but we got here from some pretty poor management decisions. 9 Billion in stock buybacks, opening/closing/opening fleets and bases within weeks of each other, current leadership not taking "salary" but still getting stock options, and their current blunder where they say to read between the lines of a staffing report displacing 4500 people and we go right along with them doing orbital decay calculations to figure out what it means.

Everyone has their own definition of operating efficiently. We have an entire fleet of people who think operating efficiently is refusing to start the APU more than 10 min prior and shutting down the packs on the parking checklist as soon as ground power is hooked up like Pavlovs' dog. They are baking 185 people in the back while they scatter off the airplane with the first 5 passengers. You can call me inefficient but that to me is just being a bad pilot. I think as United blunders through this recovery sending oversold rj's everywhere and coming to us with pockets turned inside out ... the employees have a long memory and any shot at redemption is getting tossed aside for short term savings.

Originally Posted by Aquaticus

I am not emotional about potential furlough but I do know people have a long memory. When I was hired, they told us in indoc that we were going to quickly outnumber the old guard here and we (us and management) had a chance to change the atmosphere. With these continual blunders and us potentially furloughing more than American and Delta it seems like the next 30 will be just like the past 30. You said this was a numbers game but we got here from some pretty poor management decisions. 9 Billion in stock buybacks, opening/closing/opening fleets and bases within weeks of each other, current leadership not taking "salary" but still getting stock options, and their current blunder where they say to read between the lines of a staffing report displacing 4500 people and we go right along with them doing orbital decay calculations to figure out what it means.

Everyone has their own definition of operating efficiently. We have an entire fleet of people who think operating efficiently is refusing to start the APU more than 10 min prior and shutting down the packs on the parking checklist as soon as ground power is hooked up like Pavlovs' dog. They are baking 185 people in the back while they scatter off the airplane with the first 5 passengers. You can call me inefficient but that to me is just being a bad pilot. I think as United blunders through this recovery sending oversold rj's everywhere and coming to us with pockets turned inside out ... the employees have a long memory and any shot at redemption is getting tossed aside for short term savings.

Originally Posted by Dicecal

This! The company has made it clear they are not interested in offering any meaningful early retirement, they don't see the cost benefit to it.

Originally Posted by ChrisJT6

then lobby the government to make it part of the next round of CARES Act...or just accept WE CANT

Originally Posted by Dicecal

This! The company has made it clear they are not interested in offering any meaningful early retirement, they don't see the cost benefit to it.

Originally Posted by Dicecal

LOL, surly you jest.

Originally Posted by ChrisJT6

Latest house proposal has your tax dollars going to illegal immigrants...I am quiet sure if one just lays down and accepts old failed methods we will again furlough significantly more pilots than our competitors.
I flew commercial air refueling tankers during my last furlough...your post reminds me of almost the same response from my blue suited friends when we told them we were going press on w a plan to make old airliners into tankers when we kept getting “WE CANT” as their continued reply to the unreliable tanking efforts. They weren’t laughing when started passing gas all around the world to our friendly war fighters. This is not that far out compared to some stipulations already included in bailout $$$.

Originally Posted by HuggyU2

If the union found a good data point to convince the company to furlough less people, I'd say that is a good thing. Maybe I'm wrong but does the tone of your post imply it was inappropriate?