Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 3049881)

I will admit that I am totally confused now!
I initially thought I'm pay protected as a 756 at blended rate until (IF) I go to Airbus school. Then the union put something out (I believe Sat) that made me think I'm screwed and go to Airbus 12yr FO rate as of 1 June.
Then tonight BQ (or one of the other guys) had a slide up and I could have sworn they said.. June OR whenever you start IOE.. which ever comes later.
But now you posted that ^

What happens to pay for -
Me?
A 787 FO bumping down to 73/guppy FO?
A 756 Capt bumping to Triple or 78 FO?
A 73/Guppy Capt bumping to 73/Guppy FO?

I hate to write this.. but we need to start seeing some 'examples'

Also.. I get bumped to Airbus FO. A 2yr 78 FO gets bumped to Airbus FO and the next person junior to me gets bumped to Airbus FO?
Who goes first? I was always under the impression that it went by seniority order unless the 2yr person already had a furlough notice. After tonight, not sure about that anymore.
If I go before the other 2.. I believe I'd still be pay protected on the 756 rate, correct?

CRAZY F'ing times~
Motch

PS) Thanks for what you're still doing for the pilot group!

Originally Posted by O2pilot (Post 3049968)

Parker is a hypocrite. Didn’t he just get 700+ pilots to agree to 50 hours of pay until they retire instead of paying them all min guarantee? He took the grant money as well. Pilots getting 20-30 hours less a month of pay that are making $285/hour is a LOT more or a pay cut than a gate agent who makes $25/hour losing 10 hours pay a week.

Originally Posted by thrust (Post 3050051)

The early retirements are voluntary. It’s the “V” in Voluntary Permanent Leave of Absence (VPLOA). Same as the reduction in hours via Short Term 1/3/6 month leaves (VSTLOA)- voluntary.

I’m guessing Douggie’s critique is that it would seem UA and JB are cutting hours without the “voluntary” part. Are the reductions already included in those employees contracts? Then Doug would certainly be outside of his lane, and wouldn’t be the first time.

Originally Posted by UofM (Post 3050050)

You keep your pay until Jun 1 or completion of IOE. Whichever happens LATER.

Originally Posted by BMEP100 (Post 3050048)

Sign me up!

I was actually beginning to be a little more hopeful for the industry future until yesterday’s townhall with this Network Planner named Ankit. Wow, what a bunch of hubris.He spent 4 minutes explaining why we’ve cut more than DL/AA, and how we will shrink to profitability. Dodged the question of how we will get bookings if we don’t offer any flight schedule, while our competitors do.

Please,SK offer me early out like AA.

Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 3049881)

I will admit that I am totally confused now!
I initially thought I'm pay protected as a 756 at blended rate until (IF) I go to Airbus school. Then the union put something out (I believe Sat) that made me think I'm screwed and go to Airbus 12yr FO rate as of 1 June.
Then tonight BQ (or one of the other guys) had a slide up and I could have sworn they said.. June OR whenever you start IOE.. which ever comes later.
But now you posted that ^

What happens to pay for -
Me?
A 787 FO bumping down to 73/guppy FO?
A 756 Capt bumping to Triple or 78 FO?
A 73/Guppy Capt bumping to 73/Guppy FO?

I hate to write this.. but we need to start seeing some 'examples'

Also.. I get bumped to Airbus FO. A 2yr 78 FO gets bumped to Airbus FO and the next person junior to me gets bumped to Airbus FO?
Who goes first? I was always under the impression that it went by seniority order unless the 2yr person already had a furlough notice. After tonight, not sure about that anymore.
If I go before the other 2.. I believe I'd still be pay protected on the 756 rate, correct?

CRAZY F'ing times~
Motch

PS) Thanks for what you're still doing for the pilot group!

Originally Posted by LeeFXDWG (Post 3050233)

Motch


When does the Company trigger a pay reduction if bumped down?

Per UPA 8-F-7-b, pay goes down upon the LATEST of:

1. Activation, usually Operating Experience (OE).
2. The Displacement Bulletin Effective date (6/30/2020 in this case)
3. The date a pilot is no longer entitled to pay rate protection, in accordance with the provisions of UPA Section 8-F-5.

Lee

Originally Posted by EWRflyr (Post 3050176)

You and I must have been listening to different town halls. He did not dodge the question on bookings or the flight schedule. He said the planned schedule from earlier this year is still in the system and bookable for 330 days out. It's only as we get closer and have to make schedule/bidding determinations do they cancel on a rolling 30-day basis. Close-in bookings are what create a vacuum right now as trying to book anything after a reduced schedule load shows 2-3 connections to get places.

What torqued me was the "fluff" stuff at the beginning of the event. I fully appreciate, respect and recognize every pilot doing stuff in our communities right now during this pandemic. They deserve recognition, but I thought that could have been left to Bryan's flight operations update published on the iPad instead of taking valuable time away from pressing matters.