Early Outs
 

Any stats on how many so far have taken the early out? I see they boosted up the medical incentives.

Huh?

I think you posted this in the wrong section.

Any word on early outs at UAL?

I promise you it will be posted right here on this forum within a 10th of a second of it hitting our email.

until then there is no word and no desire....atleast publicly....on an Early Out.

Would someone explain the rationale from the company’s perspective for an early out? Why would they spend the money to pay you to leave Early when they can just furlough for much less cost? Is it all about good will and maintaining morale? Since there is very little flying and training costs are mostly fixed, I just don’t see it happening. I am encouraged to see just about every other airline offer one though

A chance to get expensive payroll off the books forever I would venture to guess.

It potentially gets some of the most expensive/least productive pilots off the list at a relatively low cost. If guys are banging in sick for half the month anyway trying to deplete that sick bank, paying them 1/2 to 2/3 their salary to just go away is a fairly minimal change in the status quo.

Combine that with a potential parked fleet or two, and the cascade of training events that are triggered during any kind of displacement, enticing the top 10% to walk could be a win-win in a downturn.

It doesn’t. And since our pilot group is rather top heavy, those slots will just be filled with equally paid pilots.

But, what it does do is keep promises to newer pilots that our airline has turned a corner, and the animosity between management and pilots is a thing of the past.

I guess we’ll see if all that LEAP training was real, and if CORE4 is real, or we’ll see it was all a meaningless waste of time and resources.

You thought that stuff was REAL? Really? You are a level 4 Marvin 😁

From a practical standpoint it can help mitigate the disaster of a training cascade as multiple pilots are shuffled down the hierarchy of categories. It's not so much of an immediate cost saving in a world where training centers are fixed costs and salaries are subsidized but by removing bodies from the displacements the end result is achieved quicker.

By moving bodies off both ends of the list there's much less churn in the middle.

But ultimately every airline is gonna do whatever burns the least cash in the short term and will come up with different solutions based on their circumstances.

do you think AA/DL are doing out of the goodness of their heart?

Maybe I’m missing something but a early out program does make sense for our airline.

1) It would make a substantial portion of our senior pilots being paid 50+ hours rather than 80+ hours.

2) It would also make the payroll more junior, because if they furlough at my seniority, their payroll would be paying pilots at 7-12 years on the pay scale. If they have an early out, many on the 12 year pay scale would be at 50+ hours and it would preserve pilots being paid at the bottom of the pay scale. Making it more junior.

3) As for training, we have enough displacements that haven’t started training yet, that they could simply and cheaply cancel the displacements. That would mitigate the training costs. Training costs vacillate depending on demand. The last two displacement bids have created a lot of demand. If displacements are cancelled, that lowers the demand.

Maybe I have no idea of what I am saying??? Please feel free to educate me!!!

That’s why I was asking. I know those airlines have announced fleet retirements which from a training perspective can justify spending the money on early outs.

Even without retiring fleets, parking WB’s allows the company to flush from the top through early outs without cascade training events.

Oh dear God ... Marvin?

I don't know what the heck Marvin means but the word "sucker" definitely comes to mind.

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Marvin Mainliner....

Probably 50% of anyone hired in the last 5 years has no idea what that means.

yeah but parking wide bodies also pushes out like 9 co pilots per airframe and that definitely has a cascading effect. In addition, the high yield PRASM's cannot be attained. A fuel efficient wide body is a great money maker!

Some of those old farts in the right seat are taking the early outs too.

A term to describe a corporate cheerleader. A koolaid drinker. Someone who is naive enough to believe the manure they spread at the Leap class....”Why is the airplane so stinking hot while we’re waiting to push back? Well, Marvin Mainliner thinks he can save the company by making 200 people miserable, but at least he’s standing at the door wearing his hat!”

Not interested in an early out until I've burned all my sick time. ;) Plus, I'd like to annoy a few more Marvins before I leave.

As usual.. SOMEONE gets it!
;)
Motch

Here’s another Marvin example. “ Hey guys, lets all tune into Scott’s virtual town hall. It sounds like if we can all just come together and give up some scope and pay, we can save some furloughs! Sign me up!!”

My personal Marvin favorite: “ Yea, I feel like crap, but our reserve coverage is low, so I’m just gonna fight through it so I don’t cost the company sick time” Thanks dude, appreciate you infecting the rest of us...

Not sure if I want to laugh or cry from your examples provided. All true, all hilarious and all depressing at the same time! :eek:

On the bright side, having these sick guys “toughing it out” is manpower positive due to additional sick calls from their stick buddies.

Source: less than 40 hours sick bank

To add a bit more context, the “Mainliner” was a marketing trademark/service mark for United going back to at least 1937. The not so affectionate term “Marvin Mainliner” predates “pathetic Kool Aide drinker” by a lot. Mocking the idiot as a “Marvin” who won’t start the APU on a hot day is part of your work DNA.

Well put.

Bah humbug
 

As a new hire I was quickly aware of the correlation between somebody who would show me their pay register and somebody with a ton of unused sick time.

If I get back on the property I am not ever flying with sick pilots again.

One last Marvin-ism. They always sign whatever release the dispatcher sends, regardless of forecast weather, maintenance issues, routing, turbulence, etc. “I know the forecast is bumpy at our altitude, and they have us landing with 4.8, but if we add gas, it will cost an extra 100$ to carry it!” Gee thanks, can’t wait to get our butts kicked across the country because Marvin is afraid to add gas.

Same guy that starts the APU at two minutes to push when it’s 98 outside.

Yes, but think of how many jobs he saved by doing that and running single-engine uphill on a 5 minute taxi. Zero.

Just say no......it’s easy......

I just tell the captain I’m too warm and will wait inside the terminal until it cools down. APU always starts immediately and it helps avoid a conflict.

Bingo we have a winner!!!! The only thing I do different is I also tell the captain to come get me when the APU is up and running.

Brilliant!!!

I just reach up and turn it on while he yells at whatever new fake-rage is being pushed on his FoxNews app.

😇

You mean CNN?

No, Barley had it right the first time.

The ones addicted to CNN have a different set of issues. ;)