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JimLaheyTPS 08-28-2020 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by Winston (Post 3117973)
Right there with ya bud. I was safe from the initial 2,250 but got culled by the unexpected increase.

Went from WARN’d on CCS yesterday to official furlough notice this morning, all within 24 hours... Talk about a roller coaster.


Brutal. Amazing how guys around our seniority were all in great spots 7 months ago. Can’t believe we are going to see NB CA’s to the street. I’m truly sorry to hear this.

GolferNJ 08-28-2020 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by Winston (Post 3117973)
Right there with ya bud. I was safe from the initial 2,250 but got culled by the unexpected increase.

Went from WARN’d on CCS yesterday to official furlough notice this morning, all within 24 hours... Talk about a roller coaster.

Me too! Just remember that this roller coaster along with every message from United and probably 25% on this forum are orchestrated by Labor management to drive concessions.

MasterOfPuppets 08-28-2020 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by GolferNJ (Post 3118222)
Me too! Just remember that this roller coaster along with every message from United and probably 25% on this forum are orchestrated by Labor management to drive concessions.

there my be 1 or 2 plants here but I feel we have pretty good eye for trolls on the United Forum. The names in these threads have been around for a long time.

GolferNJ 08-28-2020 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3118259)
there my be 1 or 2 plants here but I feel we have pretty good eye for trolls on the United Forum. The names in these threads have been around for a long time.

Right, 25% was a gross exaggeration. My point was the roller coaster we (our families included) are on has been well thought out and planned to drive us to concessions.

Nucflash 08-28-2020 09:38 PM


Originally Posted by Winston (Post 3117973)
Right there with ya bud. I was safe from the initial 2,250 but got culled by the unexpected increase.

Went from WARN’d on CCS yesterday to official furlough notice this morning, all within 24 hours... Talk about a roller coaster.

Dude, that really, really blows. I hope and trust there will be further mitigation to come.....

mmm123 08-28-2020 11:34 PM


Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 3117582)
So lets get this straight.
We are NOT retiring any Fleets..
We are NOT losing the most money per day...
We just got rid of one of our Express contractors, the one with the best reputation.
We just had an Early Out/Furlough Mitigation Program that resulted in INCREASED furlough numbers!*
*A historic NEW!
At the end of the day, we are furloughing more pilots than our competitors. Some of which are furloughing no one.

I'm not sure if "Hold my Bier" is the right title, or if Lucy pulling the Football from Charlie would have been appropriate.. but what happened today should stay etched in EVERY Post Merger Hire.
Legacy UAL pilots have already seen this movie.
The story of the Frog & the scorpion.

To ALL the potential furloughees.. especially the added 600, I can only say that I (and ALL Legacy Pilots) know what you are going through. Stay Strong.. Don't Give up the Ship. Almost all of us will do what we can to support you. There will be a light at the end of the tunnel.

Always
Motch

Yes Motch, all true but in the mean time our management team has reinvented the "silent" push since the frequencies are so busy at this time. Yes the same silent push we did years ago in Iad. With people like this how can we lose? How did we keep such talent!!!!

Andy 08-29-2020 10:00 AM

To everyone who has received a furlough notice, my condolences. It absolutely sucks to get furloughed.

UALFlyer 08-29-2020 01:58 PM

Concur
 

Originally Posted by Andy (Post 3118641)
To everyone who has received a furlough notice, my condolences. It absolutely sucks to get furloughed.

Concur and ditto!

pipe 08-29-2020 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by Nucflash (Post 3118399)
Dude, that really, really blows. I hope and trust there will be further mitigation to come.....

Furlough mitigation is a fallacy that has haunted pilot group after pilot group. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FURLOUGH MITIGATION!!!! (with the exception of early retirement options) Do not be manipulated by false hope. If UA or any other airline is bleeding, they will not be retaining anyone they don't absolutely have to (pilot or otherwise) even if they take a $1/yr salary. When you're bleeding, you try to stop the bleeding. Management isn't looking for an acceptable rate of sustained bleeding that aligns with the Core 4 principles, they are headed to the ER to amputate. Furlough mitigation is a deep well of false hope and misleading promises that are used to sabotage contracts. Don't be a sucker.

Pipe

N6279P 08-29-2020 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by pipe (Post 3118811)
Furlough mitigation is a fallacy that has haunted pilot group after pilot group. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FURLOUGH MITIGATION!!!! (with the exception of early retirement options) Do not be manipulated by false hope. If UA or any other airline is bleeding, they will not be retaining anyone they don't absolutely have to (pilot or otherwise) even if they take a $1/yr salary. When you're bleeding, you try to stop the bleeding. Management isn't looking for an acceptable rate of sustained bleeding that aligns with the Core 4 principles, they are headed to the ER to amputate. Furlough mitigation is a deep well of false hope and misleading promises that are used to sabotage contracts. Don't be a sucker.

Pipe

JetBlue and Spirit say otherwise.


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