Spirit has almost half of their pilot group take an extended 50 hour stay at home line. Maybe offer this entire group a 50 hour option and I bet we could get 3000-5000 to take it.

At the rate UA is losing money, they are not looking for ways to continue paying for your insurance and 401k contributions. Management is not going to pay anyone they don't have to. It sucks. I've been furloughed. It is what it is.

Back of the napkin:
5,000 pilots x 50 hrs x $180/hr + $8.55 million 401k contributions + $5 million insurance = $58.55 million per bid period
Any CEO that would do this should be let go immediately. None of this matters unless the company and the contract both make it to the other side somewhat intact.

Here's an idea. Next time you need to have your car worked on, hire 4 mechanics and pay them each 64% of what you normally would. Gotta keep all those mechanics employed. Makes sense, huh?

Pipe

A bunch of people just took big pay cuts with the displacements. I understand that getting furloughed is a bigger cut, but I just don’t see very many people volunteering to take another big hit.

Pipe and Hedley, all good rebuttals. I spoke with my rep today about this and echoed what pipe said. The company doesn’t have much interest in paying for us to do nothing. While I’d love to obviously see us have an option like this, I understand it’s likely not in our forecast.

Me too. And had I been in the previous class, I would likely be the 8 Ball. Oh well. That’s the way it bounces. Time to try something different until they call me back.

Yep, it’s just about money. They would be open to any mitigation that would reduce their cost. If they could get some positive press and save a few jobs at the same time, that would be great, but the bottom line is that furloughs will help the cash burn more than any mitigation that we would approve. The company is going to make their cuts and I doubt that there is much that we can do to even slow it down. The cuts are also way too big for ALPA to suggest that those who stay pay an assessment to pay furloughed pilots. The insurance assessment easily passed, but if we start talking big money, I doubt that it will.

I see your point and my perspective has not changed a bit. Big picture, still a great job, a great contract, great pay etc. Smaller picture for me personally(having been furloughed twice before and fully prepared financially to be again) is that this is a bump in the road of a long career. My statements regarding actions once a single person hits the streets and still enjoying this career are not mutually exclusive. I argue with my wife, but I am still very happily married

130 Driver,

Thanks for the clarification.
The older referenced posts had struck a nerve as they came across dismissive to fellow pilots and supportive of a kool-aid serving company that has exploited its pilots every chance they had.

This is a great place to work only because of what we have fought for and achieved by standing together against the company, and not from any benevolent acts by a self serving management team.

That positive attitude you have and the experience with prior furloughs will be much needed and appreciated by fellow pilots as we once again face the hardship and uncertainties of another industry downturn.

Your earlier post in this thread was on target.

SP

Just a word of advice... Be very careful about saying such things in a public forum. What you say, can and will be used against us. There is case law to support it too.