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Originally Posted by ReadOnly7
(Post 3131212)
I’ve always interpreted it as a relatively selfish mantra, as in “God save the Ball, so I have better seniority, QOL, vacation, etc.....”
So, in essence, it’s BOTH a cry for unity AND no furloughs. It’s ok to be against furloughs because you’re selfish.....most pilots are. And I think MOST pilots are against furloughs for all the reasons I just stated, until it might affect them....and then it’s time to eat the young. *In short, I don’t think it’s some altruistic war cry. It’s a way of saying “please God, keep as many people below me as possible”. And that’s something that we ALL usually want. |
Originally Posted by Galaxy5
(Post 3131217)
It’s been a few years and a few beers, but I think at the ceremony it was stated that “as long as the Ball is safe, that means everyone is safe,” or something very similar. Not sure how else to interpret it other than what you have.
vote yes. |
BALL = Contract
NO Vote Motch |
Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
(Post 3131172)
God Save The Ball...the most junior pilot at the company.
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Originally Posted by mmm123
(Post 3130941)
Don't forget I'm in no hurry for a contract everything is great, I don't need an annuity to help the a-plan loss that won't matter to me.
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Originally Posted by ReadOnly7
(Post 3131465)
I think you and other like-minded senior guys should draft a resolution for a LOA that would trigger if the furloughs are canceled. This LOA would transfer the furlough fund money towards the a-plan guys you are referring to. I mean.....at least it’s something? Personally I would MUCH rather be paying my own insurance premiums, gainfully employed.....and I have no problem continuing the 1% as a show of gratitude to help those SENIOR guys out. You be the point man on that LOA and I’ll vote for it.
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Originally Posted by mmm123
(Post 3131475)
I think you missed my point. when this was brought up the junior guys talked it down because they didn't think it mattered to them. I know now we are all in this together! For over 30 years many of us have worked to make this a better place to work and much of that better part is in the hands of the new hires. None of this will change my life but when I keep hearing the all in this together now I just go back to those meetings hearing the junior folks fight against helping out some folks that have made it better for them. I also don't think anything you do now will stop the ch-11 proceedings in the near future. I also would rather have you gainfully employed. JMO but everyone that thinks they are being saved better start on plan b as this company has been headed to ch11 since SK got here, the time line has been accelerated.
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Originally Posted by Mudge
(Post 3131487)
So no A350s in ORD anytime soon?
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Originally Posted by Sixty N Two
(Post 3131203)
You’ve stated what it was not, how should it have been interpreted?
If someone has more specific history, feel free to share. Anyway, most of us want to help save furloughs and hopefully we can, somehow. But it’s not a specific duty or creed of the United pilot to do so, culturally speaking. |
Originally Posted by SystemB
(Post 3131705)
It’s an expression of sympathy for the most junior person; tongue in cheek. That’s mainly it. And of course, it also carries some generic unionist meaning about “Taking care of our own”. But never was it associated with furloughs until someone decided that’s what it meant. If the interpretation was about furloughs, nobody ever told the group at large.
If someone has more specific history, feel free to share. Anyway, most of us want to help save furloughs and hopefully we can, somehow. But it’s not a specific duty or creed of the United pilot to do so, culturally speaking. |
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