GSTB............. except when:
09-17-2020, 02:07 PM
#1
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GSTB............. except when:
... this is going to be a paycut for me
... junior guys need to pay their dues like me
... somebody might get a sweeter deal than me
... I just might squeeze through and avoid furlough so the math comes out a little better for me
... and so on
- I get that this isn’t everyone’s cup of tea and there are legit reasons to vote either way, but at least make an apples to apples comparison (i.e. more flying improves the MPG on the TA from the worst case - conversely, terrible pax counts for an extended period mean rough outcomes for many even under the UPA).
Yeah, stirring the pot a bit. Apologies. Carry on
... junior guys need to pay their dues like me
... somebody might get a sweeter deal than me
... I just might squeeze through and avoid furlough so the math comes out a little better for me
... and so on
- I get that this isn’t everyone’s cup of tea and there are legit reasons to vote either way, but at least make an apples to apples comparison (i.e. more flying improves the MPG on the TA from the worst case - conversely, terrible pax counts for an extended period mean rough outcomes for many even under the UPA).
Yeah, stirring the pot a bit. Apologies. Carry on
09-17-2020, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck D
... this is going to be a paycut for me
... junior guys need to pay their dues like me
... somebody might get a sweeter deal than me
... I just might squeeze through and avoid furlough so the math comes out a little better for me
... and so on
- I get that this isn’t everyone’s cup of tea and there are legit reasons to vote either way, but at least make an apples to apples comparison (i.e. more flying improves the MPG on the TA from the worst case - conversely, terrible pax counts for an extended period mean rough outcomes for many even under the UPA).
Yeah, stirring the pot a bit. Apologies. Carry on
... junior guys need to pay their dues like me
... somebody might get a sweeter deal than me
... I just might squeeze through and avoid furlough so the math comes out a little better for me
... and so on
- I get that this isn’t everyone’s cup of tea and there are legit reasons to vote either way, but at least make an apples to apples comparison (i.e. more flying improves the MPG on the TA from the worst case - conversely, terrible pax counts for an extended period mean rough outcomes for many even under the UPA).
Yeah, stirring the pot a bit. Apologies. Carry on
09-17-2020, 07:41 PM
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ha. This is fun. Man I heard/saw a lot of more of GTSB up until just recently.
the weirdest one I saw:
Except when: I’m going to miss out on that sweet sweet furlough pay. Umm? GSTB?
there are going to be a lot more shifting eyeballs and mumbling through that motto if we keep the ceremony and the motto.
maybe we should just change the motto to “but I’ve got a kid starting college!”
the weirdest one I saw:
Except when: I’m going to miss out on that sweet sweet furlough pay. Umm? GSTB?
there are going to be a lot more shifting eyeballs and mumbling through that motto if we keep the ceremony and the motto.
maybe we should just change the motto to “but I’ve got a kid starting college!”
09-18-2020, 01:09 AM
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I’m likely going to be a yes vote, but I do have to say that post-merger culture may have mislead you guys a bit. This GSTB thing never had anything to do with “saving the junior guy from furlough”. Is that how it was explained to you guys? If so, I want you to know that the majority of pre-merger pilots (~9000 of us) never interpreted that sound-bite in that way. And that includes the good unionist pilots. Yes it’s a unity statement; not a no-furlough war cry.
I’m sorry.
I’m sorry.
09-18-2020, 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by SystemB
I’m likely going to be a yes vote, but I do have to say that post-merger culture may have mislead you guys a bit. This GSTB thing never had anything to do with “saving the junior guy from furlough”. Is that how it was explained to you guys? If so, I want you to know that the majority of pre-merger pilots (~9000 of us) never interpreted that sound-bite in that way. And that includes the good unionist pilots. Yes it’s a unity statement; not a no-furlough war cry.
I’m sorry.
I’m sorry.
09-18-2020, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by SystemB
I’m likely going to be a yes vote, but I do have to say that post-merger culture may have mislead you guys a bit. This GSTB thing never had anything to do with “saving the junior guy from furlough”. Is that how it was explained to you guys? If so, I want you to know that the majority of pre-merger pilots (~9000 of us) never interpreted that sound-bite in that way. And that includes the good unionist pilots. Yes it’s a unity statement; not a no-furlough war cry.
I’m sorry.
I’m sorry.
09-18-2020, 06:02 AM
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I’ve always interpreted it as a relatively selfish mantra, as in “God save the Ball, so I have better seniority, QOL, vacation, etc.....”
So, in essence, it’s BOTH a cry for unity AND no furloughs. It’s ok to be against furloughs because you’re selfish.....most pilots are. And I think MOST pilots are against furloughs for all the reasons I just stated, until it might affect them....and then it’s time to eat the young.
*In short, I don’t think it’s some altruistic war cry. It’s a way of saying “please God, keep as many people below me as possible”. And that’s something that we ALL usually want.
So, in essence, it’s BOTH a cry for unity AND no furloughs. It’s ok to be against furloughs because you’re selfish.....most pilots are. And I think MOST pilots are against furloughs for all the reasons I just stated, until it might affect them....and then it’s time to eat the young.
*In short, I don’t think it’s some altruistic war cry. It’s a way of saying “please God, keep as many people below me as possible”. And that’s something that we ALL usually want.
09-18-2020, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ReadOnly7
I’ve always interpreted it as a relatively selfish mantra, as in “God save the Ball, so I have better seniority, QOL, vacation, etc.....”
So, in essence, it’s BOTH a cry for unity AND no furloughs. It’s ok to be against furloughs because you’re selfish.....most pilots are. And I think MOST pilots are against furloughs for all the reasons I just stated, until it might affect them....and then it’s time to eat the young.
*In short, I don’t think it’s some altruistic war cry. It’s a way of saying “please God, keep as many people below me as possible”. And that’s something that we ALL usually want.
So, in essence, it’s BOTH a cry for unity AND no furloughs. It’s ok to be against furloughs because you’re selfish.....most pilots are. And I think MOST pilots are against furloughs for all the reasons I just stated, until it might affect them....and then it’s time to eat the young.
*In short, I don’t think it’s some altruistic war cry. It’s a way of saying “please God, keep as many people below me as possible”. And that’s something that we ALL usually want.
