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Old 09-21-2020, 06:39 AM
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I have learned from past concessionary contacts. My vote is in. NO
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Old 09-21-2020, 11:18 AM
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I have learned from past concessionary contacts. My vote is in. NO

I was waiting to find out how you voted before making a decision. Thank you.
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Old 09-21-2020, 11:45 AM
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So we needed a second thread about voting being open after you were already the first one to comment on the original thread started? You’ve truly gone off the deep end. Voting yes...
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So we needed a second thread about voting being open after you were already the first one to comment on the original thread started? You’ve truly gone off the deep end. Voting yes...
If you look at the time stamp of both threads, they were started at the same time. I guess you weren’t smart enough to check out that out before opening your pie hole. Have been down this road before of a concessionary contact, you will regret that yes vote one day.
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Out of curiosity 130shadow, are you in No vote because you think demand is coming back, demand is totally stagnating, or you think that giving the company this flexibility won’t really affect our ability to recover in a meaningful way?
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Out of curiosity 130shadow, are you in No vote because you think demand is coming back, demand is totally stagnating, or you think that giving the company this flexibility won’t really affect our ability to recover in a meaningful way?

Its actually none of the above. We have voted in concessionary contacts before and that have always come back to haunt us. If we gamble and lose, we have this this pay scheme for at least 2 years for saving furloughs for 8 months. If SK thinks demand is coming back, then HE shouldn’t furlough. He should not be asking the pilots to fund this.
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When are the results out for us outsiders?
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When are the results out for us outsiders?
Voting closes on the 28th at noon. Would expect the results to be out late on the 28th.
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Out of curiosity 130shadow, are you in No vote because you think demand is coming back, demand is totally stagnating, or you think that giving the company this flexibility won’t really affect our ability to recover in a meaningful way?
And honestly, I don’t see demand coming back anytime soon. It will be a slow ramp up and not going to magically happen on a specific date. Kirby and Carlson can start looking at future bookings and then begin to ramp up. Kirby would like to keep pilots on the property just in case that magic day appears, but he doesn’t want to pay for it. And neither do I.
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Its actually none of the above. We have voted in concessionary contacts before and that have always come back to haunt us. If we gamble and lose, we have this this pay scheme for at least 2 years for saving furloughs for 8 months. If SK thinks demand is coming back, then HE shouldn’t furlough. He should not be asking the pilots to fund this.
thanks for that.

anybody who wants to UAL succeed is on my “team,” so we’re together going forward, whether we want to be or not :-)
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