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JurgenKlopp 09-21-2020 01:52 PM
Don’t be like PJ...

Nucflash 09-21-2020 01:55 PM
Originally Posted by PilotGR (Post 3133369)
No votes are borderline scabbish self-centered and short sighted.
Fixed it for him.

Dogbelch 09-21-2020 02:27 PM
Originally Posted by Nucflash (Post 3133363)
For the middle third L-UAL voters:

The C12 Chair, who was one of three who signed this statement and who was MEC Chair during pivotal moments of the last furlough, did NOTHING for you when you were out on the street. She cozied up to Tilton and left you to rot. Remember that.

For the lower third voters:

Consider the above as you ponder what the future holds for you.
Irrelevant and reeks of desperation which doesn’t change her factual analysis.

duvie 09-21-2020 02:40 PM
Do you guys understand how the refrain “I don’t trust the union, I’m doing what’s right for me” might sound a little concerning?

eagleatr 09-21-2020 02:53 PM
Originally Posted by PilotGR (Post 3133369)
No votes are borderline scabbish. Voting to furlough is pretty much what it's coming down too. No pandemic has lasted more than 2 years. Union first..not because we love the MEC or our Alpa president. Because we are in this together.
Even voting yes I bet they furlough 2000 on June 1, 2021 because the TA allows that. The only way I don't think that happens is with a faster turn around than most are expecting.

Hedley 09-21-2020 04:39 PM
Originally Posted by eagleatr (Post 3133460)
Even voting yes I bet they furlough 2000 on June 1, 2021 because the TA allows that. The only way I don't think that happens is with a faster turn around than most are expecting.
If we vote no, they will furlough 2,850 this year, and most likely another 1,000+ on top of that by June 2021. The company is going to slash pilot cost starting next month. We can either tell them to furlough as many as they need, or collectively buy some time. It’s not a good TA, but it is what we have. Kirby is up against the clock. Congress is going to be obsessed with the open Supreme Court seat and extending the PSP is way on the back burner and the fire is just flickering. When this election is over, the company is going to react accordingly. They will go full speed with the TA, or the furlough plan.

V1 ROT8 09-21-2020 05:04 PM
Originally Posted by PilotGR (Post 3133369)
No votes are borderline scabbish. Voting to furlough is pretty much what it's coming down too. No pandemic has lasted more than 2 years. Union first..not because we love the MEC or our Alpa president. Because we are in this together.
As a pilot due to be furloughed on Oct 1, I will say this is one of the most insulting, inflammatory, and juvenile posts I’ve read on the subject. I am ashamed to be associated with you.

Big5 09-21-2020 05:13 PM
Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3133503)
If we vote no, they will furlough 2,850 this year, and most likely another 1,000+ on top of that by June 2021. The company is going to slash pilot cost starting next month. We can either tell them to furlough as many as they need, or collectively buy some time. It’s not a good TA, but it is what we have. Kirby is up against the clock. Congress is going to be obsessed with the open Supreme Court seat and extending the PSP is way on the back burner and the fire is just flickering. When this election is over, the company is going to react accordingly. They will go full speed with the TA, or the furlough plan.
Have you considered the incremental furlough cost beyond 2850? Those additional 1000 come at a significantly higher cost to the Company - every single one of them. It’s not like furloughing FAs. I think there’s a good reason the additional 1000 haven’t seen WARN letters. And all of those will require 3 months advance notice with furlough pay and vacation. That’s a lot money. Why haven’t they sent the letters already if they intend to furlough? What’s it cost to send a letter?

GolferNJ 09-21-2020 05:15 PM
Originally Posted by Big5 (Post 3133518)
Have you considered the incremental furlough cost beyond 2850? Those additional 1000 come at a significantly higher cost to the Company - every single one of them. It’s not like furloughing FAs. I think there’s a good reason the additional 1000 haven’t seen WARN letters. And all of those will require 3 months advance notice with furlough pay and vacation. That’s a lot money. Why haven’t they sent the letters already if they intend to furlough? What’s it cost to send a letter?
It costs stock prices. Pilots=planes to Wall Street. They will send them last minute after prepping Wall Street.

RomeoHotel 09-21-2020 05:18 PM
Did they have to rename the TA because it doesn’t really mitigate furloughs...??

Should’ve renamed it the “Furlough mitigation for six months and less pay for 2 years or more concessions agreement “


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