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130shadow 09-28-2020 03:58 AM

The grass
 
Passing this TA will keep pilots furloughed even longer when they are finally furloughed. You will have a very large number of senior pilots and pilots not pay protected that will pick up open time when the flying does come back. Their rationale will be, “I already gave to the junior pilots”. Thus keeping pilots on the streets longer. Have seen this movie before. You will have another large number of pilots hoping they do furlough in June so this TA gets thrown out. How’s that for you? Now hoping they furlough so your paycheck can be restored. People won’t admit that out loud, but they will they think it. Grass isn’t always greener on the other side.

AxlF16 09-28-2020 04:18 AM


Originally Posted by 130shadow (Post 3136772)
Passing this TA will keep pilots furloughed even longer when they are finally furloughed. You will have a very large number of senior pilots and pilots not pay protected that will pick up open time when the flying does come back. Their rationale will be, “I already gave to the junior pilots”. Thus keeping pilots on the streets longer. Have seen this movie before. You will have another large number of pilots hoping they do furlough in June so this TA gets thrown out. How’s that for you? Now hoping they furlough so your paycheck can be restored. People won’t admit that out loud, but they will they think it. Grass isn’t always greener on the other side.

It's their choice to behave that way.. if they do, they should probably keep any lessons on unionism to themselves. I hope maturity, brotherhood, and reasonableness prevail.

MasterOfPuppets 09-28-2020 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by 130shadow (Post 3136772)
Passing this TA will keep pilots furloughed even longer when they are finally furloughed. You will have a very large number of senior pilots and pilots not pay protected that will pick up open time when the flying does come back. Their rationale will be, “I already gave to the junior pilots”. Thus keeping pilots on the streets longer. Have seen this movie before. You will have another large number of pilots hoping they do furlough in June so this TA gets thrown out. How’s that for you? Now hoping they furlough so your paycheck can be restored. People won’t admit that out loud, but they will they think it. Grass isn’t always greener on the other side.

If that makes you feel better then so be it. How about you PM your name so I can buy you dinner and a beer to make up for your hardship. It will make me feel good to know that I helped you in your time of need.

cadetdrivr 09-28-2020 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by 130shadow (Post 3136772)
Passing this TA will keep pilots furloughed even longer when they are finally furloughed. You will have a very large number of senior pilots and pilots not pay protected that will pick up open time when the flying does come back. Their rationale will be, “I already gave to the junior pilots”. Thus keeping pilots on the streets longer. Have seen this movie before.

I'm calling shenanigans. There are plenty of legitimate PRO and CON arguments to this TA but this ain't one of them.

When the dust settles the company is gonna staff the airline to EXACTLY match capacity regardless of TA passage or failure.

That's the movie we've all seen before.

Nucflash 09-28-2020 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by 130shadow (Post 3136772)
Passing this TA will keep pilots furloughed even longer when they are finally furloughed. You will have a very large number of senior pilots and pilots not pay protected that will pick up open time when the flying does come back. Their rationale will be, “I already gave to the junior pilots”. Thus keeping pilots on the streets longer. Have seen this movie before. You will have another large number of pilots hoping they do furlough in June so this TA gets thrown out. How’s that for you? Now hoping they furlough so your paycheck can be restored. People won’t admit that out loud, but they will they think it. Grass isn’t always greener on the other side.

He’s projecting his own self-centered mindset on the rest of us. Speak for yourself. Not everyone is like you, thankfully.

MasterOfPuppets 09-28-2020 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by Nucflash (Post 3136850)
He’s projecting his own self-centered mindset on the rest of us. Speak for yourself. Not everyone is like you, thankfully.

mom confident that there is a very small number of his mindset spread througouht our seniority list.

Viperstick 09-28-2020 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 3136846)
I'm calling shenanigans. There are plenty of legitimate PRO and CON arguments to this TA but this ain't one of them.

When the dust settles the company is gonna staff the airline to EXACTLY match capacity regardless of TA passage or failure.

That's the movie we've all seen before.

Agreed, but this will help the company staff to their desired end state much quicker. This will result in 4000+ furloughs next June, not 2006. The beauty of this for Kirby is that we will pay to get him out of his training conundrum. We are about to win a big stupid prize for playing a big stupid game.

Big5 09-28-2020 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by Viperstick (Post 3136875)
Agreed, but this will help the company staff to their desired end state much quicker. This will result in 4000+ furloughs next June, not 2006. The beauty of this for Kirby is that we will pay to get him out of his training conundrum. We are about to win a big stupid prize for playing a big stupid game.

So can I expect my 3 month furlough notice in March while earning 1/2 MPG now vs the full MPG?

AxlF16 09-28-2020 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by Big5 (Post 3136878)
So can I expect my 3 month furlough notice in March while earning 1/2 MPG now vs the full MPG?

If you're in the bottom 2007 you should expect a 3 month notice in late Feb - which is at least 3 months AFTER you would've been furloughed sans TA. I hope you don't get the notice, but it's wise to expect it to come.

Galaxy5 09-28-2020 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by AxlF16 (Post 3136893)
If you're in the bottom 2007 you should expect a 3 month notice in late Feb - which is at least 3 months AFTER you would've been furloughed sans TA. I hope you don't get the notice, but it's wise to expect it to come.

Bottom 2007 need only 60 days notice, right? So being in the 30 Oct Furlough group originally, I should get mine end of March, of 5 months after I was originally supposed to be furloughed.


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