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Oly2016 09-28-2020 08:59 AM

Wow. 58-42 closer than I thought. Even with the MEC voting 16-3, carve-outs and the sales job. Doesn't seem like the MEC is reflective of the pilot group. I think everyone can take away from it what they want, but there is definitely not unity.

Andy 09-28-2020 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by Big5 (Post 3136897)
Says the guy whose user Id is “ugly UAL”

Last name: Lee. Callsign: Ug

Not what you thought.

duvie 09-28-2020 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3136918)
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

You are in for a very rude awakening. I figure it'll take about 9 months to set in when United furloughs 2007 pilots that your agreement left exposed. Meanwhile, the reduced hours will continue for what, another 17 months?

what is going so wrong in your personal life that you would feel gleeful at another’s pain?

i truly hope for the sake of Delta pilots that Bastian doesn’t shrink as aggressively as I think he will. Dude is all about Wall Street approval (margins), market share is an after thought

El Peso 09-28-2020 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by blizzue (Post 3136922)
Reduced guarantee based on block hours as a percent of 2019. No furloughs until June, at which point they can still furlough 2000 pilots and we retain the reduced guarantee (for up to two years total).

Is that last part correct? Please confirm. And what are the parameters or benchmarks to prevent this? Is it total passenger traffic numbers or revenue?

Andy 09-28-2020 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by KonaJoe (Post 3136902)
Ageed. While I voted yes, I am not entirely happy with this situation. I felt like it was the lesser of two B.S. scenarios.

Agreed. I had the same opinion and also voted yes.

We won't know if it was the correct gamble (because that's what this was) until the end of next summer. If loads get closer to normal and world travel reopens, it was the best course of action. If not, well...

duvie 09-28-2020 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3136928)
Is that last part correct? Please confirm. And what are the parameters or benchmarks to prevent this? Is it total passenger traffic numbers or revenue?

A situation where we only furlough 2007 would virtually guarantee that the top 2/3 would be at full mpg. The second we furlough 2008 or greater, or hit a bunch of other triggers, the LoA terminates and we go back to normal.

based on block hours

CincoDeMayo 09-28-2020 09:21 AM

What does the LOA say happens if the US Gov ends up backing a big ol money truck up to the UAL HQ next week with more aid? Does this LOA go away with the free money?

Andy 09-28-2020 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 3136921)
Can anyone share the actual scope clause update in the TA? I’ve heard only rumors.

B. Removal of Six Seats from 76-Seat Aircraft The Company shall convert all 76-Seat Aircraft for operation as 70-Seat Aircraft. The number of such aircraft shall continue to be limited as though they were being operated as 76-Seat Aircraft.

C. Additional Restrictions on United Express Flying 1. In addition to the restrictions found in Section 1-C-1-f-(1), if the total Scheduled aircraft block hours of United Express Flying in a calendar month is forty percent (40%) or more of such total Scheduled aircraft block hours from the same calendar month in 2019, then the total Scheduled aircraft block hours of Company Flying on single-aisle Company Aircraft must be greater than the total Scheduled aircraft block hours of United Express Flying in that calendar month. a. The measurement shall be made at the same time as the measurement described in Paragraph I.4.g below. 2. If the Company invokes Section 1-C-1-f-(2), the provisions of Paragraph I (Work Reductions) shall not be in effect for any Bid Period corresponding to a calendar month in which Section 1-C-1-f-(2) is invoked.

duvie 09-28-2020 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3136936)
What does the LOA say happens if the US Gov ends up backing a big ol money truck up to the UAL HQ next week with more aid? Does this LOA go away with the free money?

all positives “gains” stay put. Mpg reductions are suspended

texaspropguy 09-28-2020 09:29 AM

For once, we set the bar. Let’s see if Delta does a UA+$1.


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