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captsurf 09-28-2020 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3136928)
Is that last part correct? Please confirm. And what are the parameters or benchmarks to prevent this? Is it total passenger traffic numbers or revenue?

Our MPG goes back to 100% once scheduled block hours for that bid period reaches at or above 70% of block hours for that same month in 2019. Each third snaps back at a different rate, with the top 1/3 nearing 100% first faster than the middle third, and the bottom third nearing 100% last who wouldve otherwise been furloughed.
With a normal lineholder guarantee of 70hrs and the % being the % of 2019 block hours for that month:
Top Third- >70%=70:00, 70%=68:00, 65%=66:30, 60%=65:15, 55%=63:00, 50%=60:00, 45%=60:00, <=40%=60:00(current)
Middle Third->70%70:00, 70%=68:00, 65%=66:30, 60%=65:15, 55%=63:00, 50%=57:30, 45%=55:15, <=40%=52:00
Bottom Third->70%=70:00, 70%=49:00, 65%=46:56, 60%=40:00, <=55%=35:00

Andy 09-28-2020 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3136915)
Frontier guy here.

What is the Cliffs Notes version of the TA? Just curious what it is

29 page TA. Might want to find a UA guy to send you a copy to your email.
I haven't read the executive summary, but a few have pointed out that the executive summary was biased in leaving out some details.

FXLAX 09-28-2020 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by duvie (Post 3136941)
all positives “gains” stay put. Mpg reductions are suspended


What are the positive gains?

gon2fly 09-28-2020 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3136915)
Frontier guy here.

What is the Cliffs Notes version of the TA? Just curious what it is

I will take this a bit further than some of the previous answers...... Yes, pay cuts and reduced hours/mpg for everyone and no furloughs until next summer at the earliest. Duration of the agreement is for two years.....although there are several triggers and scenarios that might terminate it earlier.
- New scope triggers and limits, addressing concerns that Skywest was doing a lot of mainline flying.....while we weren't.
- Additional 655 people age >50 will be offered early retirement, which will pay them 50 hours of pay/benefits for next two years.
- Displacements cancelled for the majority of the displacements we've had the past six months (several thousand). Saves multiple thousands of train and re-train. Company will essentially keep people 'as is' (hourly pay protected) in their seats, to allow for a faster recovery. Saves literally thousands of CA from down bidding to FO.
- Increased limits for Long Term Disability (up from 8k/mo. to 11k).
- DH in First Class (if available at time of booking). This one has a bunch of asterisks.....

Probably a few other items I am forgetting, but wanted to provide a bit more detail for you (displacements cancelled, early retirements, additional scope protection, etc.)

pilotgolfer 09-28-2020 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by FXLAX (Post 3136952)
What are the positive gains?

Increased LTD if available at time of booking.

Tony Nelson 09-29-2020 03:16 AM


Originally Posted by captsurf (Post 3136911)
Me? or the guy who made the Mesa comment?

I'm pretty sure he meant the other guy but he didn't make it clear.

MasterOfPuppets 09-29-2020 03:29 AM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3136907)
this individual is hoping to work for a good ACMI.

sorry the other guy.

EWRflyr 09-30-2020 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by Oly2016 (Post 3136923)
Wow. 58-42 closer than I thought. Even with the MEC voting 16-3, carve-outs and the sales job. Doesn't seem like the MEC is reflective of the pilot group. I think everyone can take away from it what they want, but there is definitely not unity.


I'd say they are reflective of the pilot group in that the reps who voted to accept the LOA believed that there was enough in it to satisfy the pilot group as a whole. If the pilot vote had been reversed to 42-58, then I'd agree with your statement. Using another example, the UPA extension LOA passed 79-21 yet the vote on the MEC was something like 13-7. That's a much closer MEC vote vs. the blowout vote by the pilots. MEC votes in this case are like the Senate. Each rep gets one vote no matter how many pilots he/she represent. Only the MEC will know the final pilot vote breakdown by each council, but I'd be willing to bet the majority of every council voted IN FAVOR of this.

TillerTemptress 09-30-2020 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by gon2fly (Post 3136955)
I will take this a bit further than some of the previous answers...... Yes, pay cuts and reduced hours/mpg for everyone and no furloughs until next summer at the earliest. Duration of the agreement is for two years.....although there are several triggers and scenarios that might terminate it earlier.
- New scope triggers and limits, addressing concerns that Skywest was doing a lot of mainline flying.....while we weren't.
- Additional 655 people age >50 will be offered early retirement, which will pay them 50 hours of pay/benefits for next two years.
- Displacements cancelled for the majority of the displacements we've had the past six months (several thousand). Saves multiple thousands of train and re-train. Company will essentially keep people 'as is' (hourly pay protected) in their seats, to allow for a faster recovery. Saves literally thousands of CA from down bidding to FO.
- Increased limits for Long Term Disability (up from 8k/mo. to 11k).
- DH in First Class (if available at time of booking). This one has a bunch of asterisks.....

Probably a few other items I am forgetting, but wanted to provide a bit more detail for you (displacements cancelled, early retirements, additional scope protection, etc.)

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