Where did you see dec for cares 2? Yes I am alcoholic and crackhead, thanks for the heads up.

JFC. You didn't even read the TA before voting. Says a lot about you.

Provided the loan component of the CARES Act is still offered, the Company must claim its full original allocation by the deadline set by the US Treasury. If the Company does not subsequently access that full original allocation prior to the deadline for such access set by the US Treasury, or if the Company does not otherwise borrow or raise the amount of any shortfall to that full original allocation through any other public or private market source, then no Pilot shall be placed on furlough prior to the first day of the December 2021 Bid Period.


This is saying that no furloughs prior to DEC 1, if the company doesn’t take the full allocation.......

in the TA.....you read it right?

You're just flat out wrong. I wasn't able to vote on this TA, but should be able to vote on the next. Bottom third. I would have been a yes if I had been able to vote but not simply to save my own skin, but because I think it was a great deal that smartly positions us to recover more strongly and quicker and had some decent gains which considering the environment is nuts - including some scope choke and tightening up the scope restrictions and still forcing UA to pull 6 seats off the 76 seaters. I would have been a no if there were any cuts to pay or work rule cuts (I'm not counting the optional change in intl rest rules since it's optional), but an MPG flex was a realistic solution for what is really going on with the company for the next 24 months that was as close, in my eyes, to win-win for the company and pilot group. (Just look at Southwest - why would you take a 10% pay cut when UA has already shown you can achieve the same cost savings for the company through a MPG cut?). But nobody is going to vote yes to scope relief for the company just for some retirement benefit or 15% pay raise. Everybody has seen what scope means and been around the block before on this one. So many here now came from the regionals/express carriers and have zero appetite to expand them. You're really saying Insler is going to do a 180 from last year when we were saying bring the 175s here and we'll fly them at mainline? I doubt it. Your prediction will not come to pass, and if it did, it would get voted down very quickly.

Shouldn’t you be on the “new” forum with Garry, Ron, Neil, and “Tuco”?

I used to be concerned about the things I saw posted there.....until I noticed there are only ever about 8-15 users online. And it’s always the same guys.

I think the scabs and you would vote yes to an unlikely LOA like this. Everyone else, no.

I don’t think I’d be welcomed over there. Just trying to keep the process rolling. Hopefully things will turn around by June. If not we need to find a way to prevent furloughs. If we furlough we lose votes my friend.

When you think you’re battling 8-15 people keep in mind 42% voted against. Many of those are pretty upset. If we lose 2000 votes on June 1 and a few LECs are flipped, I’m next. Once you combine a new and willing MEC with the open ear of management all bets are off.

I’d start saving now because more cuts are coming to save the furloughs and your MEC.

[QUOTE=TillerTemptress;3147571]You're just flat out wrong. I wasn't able to vote on this TA, but should be able to vote on the next. Bottom third. I would have been a yes if I had been able to vote but not simply to save my own skin, but because I think it was a great deal that smartly positions us to recover more strongly and quicker and had some decent gains which considering the environment is nuts - including some scope choke and tightening up the scope restrictions and still forcing UA to pull 6 seats off the 76 seaters. I would have been a no if there were any cuts to pay or work rule cuts



How many times do we have to go through this? There ARE PAYCUTS in the LOA, the MEC just decided not to talk about them. That's why I was a NO vote.

Leaving the vacation factor at 2:20 in vacation months is a paycut, period. Please see my prior posts on this forum. I have shown the math in public.

PREDICTION: The asteroid approaching Earth on Nov 2nd will make a direct impact:
1) It will kill all life on Earth
2) None of this crap will matter anyway

Making stuff up is fun...